[chelsea24]

Originally Posted by DennisStGermain

Besides, if I had half his money I couldn't care less about the negative press, right or wrong.


Dennis

I think you would care Dennis, if you believed in your product. And I believe the Morse family believes in and are devoted to their product. When you create something, it's much like your child. You correct it, you try to make it the best it can be, and you fiercely defend it.

Again, BRAVO, to the Morse family. They deserve every penny they get! :#1:

[gfmucci]

Originally Posted by Muncle

And Morse's criticism of the latest book on the villages was equally justified. As was discussed ad nauseum in here, the Leasureville book was a grossly slanted compilation of lies, mistakes, and the author's bias. Morse has a right, if not a duty, to defend his brand from these slanders.

I missed Morse's reference to "Leisureville." Was that in the newspaper coverage? What did he say about it?

[villages07]

GF...

It was in the VNN rebroadcast...not the written summary. He did not mention the book by title, only referring to it as 'the latest book about the Villages...' As I recall, he lambasted the premise of the book that seniors go to communities like TV to check out of society. Morse made comments about TV residents being 'on the grid' staying engaged in society, charity, etc. It was a pretty brief reference and might have been in the context of 'we have our critics, but...'

[bimmertl]

Originally Posted by chelsea24

I think you would care Dennis, if you believed in your product. And I believe the Morse family believes in and are devoted to their product. When you create something, it's much like your child. You correct it, you try to make it the best it can be, and you fiercely defend it.

Again, BRAVO, to the Morse family. They deserve every penny they get! :#1:

How about we all agree that the developer/Morse family deserve every penny they get as long as they abide to all the terms and conditions of legally written contracts between themselves and the residents.

The fact they coughed up $47 million and change after being sued is indicative of the fact they were trying to get every penny they deserve, and plenty of "pennies" they didn't deserve!

[chuckster]

As an articulate contributor mentioned eons ago, "There are always choices"

Right on developers, continue to make money and develop our home town.

[The Great Fumar]

CHELS
You smooth talker,........I think your oratory was outstanding.......I was very impressed.......

not easily impressed fumar... :bigthumbsup:

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by gfmucci

So, Red, the other options are what: A magical Theocracy, another government socialist program, or "evil" business which enables people toearn a living providing products or services people want?

If you're going to quote me, I'd suggest you try to not twist my words. Believe it or not, I'm not a socialist. I firmly believe business is a good thing and anything else is a disaster waiting to happen. Like anything else, business has its good side and its bad side. Anyone who only sees one side of a coin misses a lot.

Quite simply, business is business. There is an inherent greed factor, it is neither good nor evil. It just is. I don't think I said business was bad. I simply said the average person doesn't like it (unless, of course, it is their business). I've consistently said that the Morse family deserves their money -- they've worked hard for it and I, personally, don't begrudge them one red cent. I don't like all of their policies but, then, that goes back to the greed factor and is a given.

And, Muncle, maybe Chels is right more often than you think.

[Frangyomory]

bimmerti couldn't agree more. Harold Schwartz' concept and his son, Gary Morse's ability to get the job done are certainly worthy of being paid for a job well done. They are entitled to every penny they LEGALLY earn.

My only complaint is that they only seem to correct things when they are sued or there is a threat to sue and that is simply not only wrong but it is BAD business.

Fortunately before the grandchildren (Mark Morse) took over, the best place in this universe was already being built and we are all so lucky to live here.

All I want and feel I am entitled to is FULL DISCLOSURE. Northing more and nothing less. I don't like getting hit with hidden costs and issues after moving into my wonderful home.

We are here three years and are frogs..here until we croak. You can't find a community like this anywhere but that doesn't mean that Mark and his sisters can do whatever they want until they get caught.

That's my last comment on the subject since so many of you just don't want to know both sides of the issue.

[tom]

There is a lot of misinterpretation about the agreement to put 40 mil into the cdds that wasn't put there in when the cdds took over the administration of the various areas after the developer completed each phase. This money should have been there so that each cdd would be able to administrate and repair and take care of the every day needs of their district. It was not. Although the class members who sued and the other people involved (the developer, the attorneys) agreed to a confidential settlement it was quite clear from the article in the Sentinel that something was amiss. As a thirty year court officer I never saw a settlement reached (especially one of this magnitude) unless the defendant felt he could lose. Which means the case had merit. I wonder if the developer was reluctant to open his books in court? I also wonder if he were anyone else without a strong prescence in the republican party if the Florida Attorney General would be looking at this matter to see if the irregularities were more than civil?

I too enjoy my life here inTV but I reserve My Right to question things and get a satisfactory answer just as the suitors did.

There is just too much control of information by the developer. only things that favor the developer and those he endorses appear in The Sun or on Vnn. While I agree that the POA can be very acrimonious they are not that wrong. The siding issue is valid and try spending seven hours at the hospital without being seen.

Tom,

[Frangyomory]

....and you won't find a word about the less than full disclosure here in the Villages in any other paper because the "outside" world could care less, so don't be telling people to watch other television stations and read other newspapers expecting the stuff around here to be published there. Who do you think you are kidding anyway? Your the same person who says...well you have a choice!!! Yes, and we all moved here because we love this place IN SPITE OF THE GRANDCHILDREN and how they run the business that their father and grandfather ran so well and so honestly! :edit:

[chuckster]

I'm positive I read that you said there were to be no more comments regarding this issue as we didn't see your (sorry) both sides of the issue regarding the "family".

[barb1191]

Originally Posted by chuckster

I'm positive I read that you said there were to be no more comments regarding this issue as we didn't see your (sorry) both sides of the issue regarding the "family".

Chuck...How profound of you!! You are absolutely correct, that's what the gal said. Feel better now?

Atta gal Fran....you GO girl!!

[barb1191]

Originally Posted by Muncle

Brilliant deduction there, Frannie. First of all, it's a private company so why the heck should they make any type of financial disclosure to you or some hack writer. Now as to whether other news outlets report on happenings in TV --- Let see, last weekend's big expose' about VNN was in the Orlando Sentinel. Right before that, the Sentinel and at least one Orlando TV station had features on Leisureville. Don't know who else covered that one, but we know the Wall Street Journal did. Everybody carried article about the lawsuit, including the St. Pete's Times and Tampa papers. The Ocala and Leesburg papers regularly carry articles about a variety of Villages issues. Unfortunately, the NY Times does not cover nonresidents using the family pools nor does CBS Nightly News do stories the use of amenity fees. Y'all had your PAO paper with the Reporter, but that went the way of left wing talk radio. Maybe 4 or 5 of you can get a class action suit and force Morse to fund a newspaper, radio, and TV station to spread your version of the news. Friendly advice --- try to be one of the ring leaders. It pays pretty well.

So, have a nice day now, ya hear, and remember, you do have a choice.

.......and, I bet you voted for George W Bush (both times), eh? Your writing reminds me of him. :dontknow:

[Boomer]

This thread seems like it might be a good place to ask this question. I guess I will find out.

There has been a lot of discussion about TV as a company. You know, in business to make money. And that seems to bring great joy in the land. And that's just fine. But it raises a question in my mind.

I think about business sometimes. I don't know why I do that, but I do. And since I discovered TV and began watching the build out projections wax and wane, wane and wax, I have thought about where it could all be heading.

Now, this may seem totally off the wall, and you may just dismiss it as, "WhatinthehellisBoomertalkingabout?" But I still have to ask.

Do you think there could come a time when TV could go from privately held to publically held? Stockholders and all that entails.

As I understand it, the developer sells pieces of the operation as things move along. Properties. But what about going public and selling shares? Could it happen? I wonder how that would work. You know, the care and feeding of stockholders.

Boomer