[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

Here is a solution. Stop Saturday delivery. Stop delivering junk mail of which 99% ends up in a trash can at the post boxes never having been read or even looked or double the price of delivering that junk. Like every other organization weed out the dead wood. Hire a professional CEO, to run the organization instead of appointing political friends. Build larger distribution centers and close large post offices and open small store front centers like FED X and UPS. I could go on but the point I’m making is the model they use is broken and need to be reimagined.

I agree with most of what you said. I would add that they should allow people to cancel their postal account and have all their mail returned to the sender. That would solve the problem because people who didn't like the service would just cancel it. I would be one of the first to cancel.

Also, a CEO is someone who runs a company to make a profit. Government agencies have no reason to make a profit because they can operate at a loss every year, and just run up the debt. You don't need a CEO to do that.

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2012878]I agree with most of what you said. I would add that they should allow people to cancel their postal account and have all their mail returned to the sender. That would solve the problem because people who didn't like the service would just cancel it. I would be one of the first to cancel. [/QUITE].

In that case, I no longer wish to pay taxes to maintain roads I don't dive on.

I no longer want to pay taxes for sidewalks I don't walk on.
I no longer want to pay taxes for public schools, all my kids are grown.
I no longer want to pay taxes for water treatment plants I will drill a well and boil my water.
I no longer want to pay for sewage systems I will use a trench in my backyard.
I no longer want to pay taxes for wars I disagree with.

I could go on, I think the point is made.

Also, a CEO is someone who runs a company to make a profit. Government agencies have no reason to make a profit because they can operate at a loss every year, and just run up the debt. You don't need a CEO to do that.

The USPS was NEVER intended to make a profit. And its losses are due to Congress mandating unreasonable retirement funding. The internet has caused a change in business model, which the previous Post Master was dealing with. And parcel delivery companies like FedEx, UPS, and DHL have taken some of the post offices business, so it had been adjusting to that change in the market. But, it is a service it is not a for-profit business.

The reality is that part of us wants the government to be reduced to a bare minimum of services - like fighting foreign wars, and another part of us want the government to do things for the people that are too large for any single company to deal with - like the interstate highway system which contributed massively to business profits.

This reducing functionality of the USPS is just a step in getting rid of it. Regardless of all the "justifications" given. And the person in charge of the USPS now is there because he has personal motivation (investments in competitors) to see the post office fail.

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2012928]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I agree with most of what you said. I would add that they should allow people to cancel their postal account and have all their mail returned to the sender. That would solve the problem because people who didn't like the service would just cancel it. I would be one of the first to cancel. [/QUITE].

In that case, I no longer wish to pay taxes to maintain roads I don't dive on.

I no longer want to pay taxes for sidewalks I don't walk on.
I no longer want to pay taxes for public schools, all my kids are grown.
I no longer want to pay taxes for water treatment plants I will drill a well and boil my water.
I no longer want to pay for sewage systems I will use a trench in my backyard.
I no longer want to pay taxes for wars I disagree with.

I could go on, I think the point is made.



The USPS was NEVER intended to make a profit. And its losses are due to Congress mandating unreasonable retirement funding. The internet has caused a change in business model, which the previous Post Master was dealing with. And parcel delivery companies like FedEx, UPS, and DHL have taken some of the post offices business, so it had been adjusting to that change in the market. But, it is a service it is not a for-profit business.

The reality is that part of us wants the government to be reduced to a bare minimum of services - like fighting foreign wars, and another part of us want the government to do things for the people that are too large for any single company to deal with - like the interstate highway system which contributed massively to business profits.

This reducing functionality of the USPS is just a step in getting rid of it. Regardless of all the "justifications" given. And the person in charge of the USPS now is there because he has personal motivation (investments in competitors) to see the post office fail.

I don't agree with your point. More than 95 percent of my mail is trash. I just want to stop the trash from coming, but the Government forces everyone to have a box for them to deposit the trash and makes you pay for it. Look at how much junk mail is deposited into the trash cans at the mail stations.

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I don't agree with your point. More than 95 percent of my mail is trash. I just want to stop the trash from coming, but the Government forces everyone to have a box for them to deposit the trash and makes you pay for it. Look at how much junk mail is deposited into the trash cans at the mail stations.

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

The "trash" (aka junk mail) is what pays a large amount of whatever the PO is getting right now. Eliminate junk mail and see what it costs to mail a letter.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

What is his "huge conflict of interest"?

Possibly this? Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Should Resign Over ‘Obvious Financial Conflicts Of Interest,’ Experts Testify Investigations still ongoing a year later.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Possibly this? Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Should Resign Over ‘Obvious Financial Conflicts Of Interest,’ Experts Testify Investigations still ongoing a year later.

So, they've been investigating this for over a year and what? Nothing has happened...

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So, they've been investigating this for over a year and what? Nothing has happened...

Oy Vey. Ask them. Lots of investigation go on for years. Just reading about one that was started almost 2 years ago by some guy with a big white beard from Connecticut (no not Santa).

Here's a more recent one for something else: FBI Investigates Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Over Campaign Fundraising : NPR

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2012960]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I don't agree with your point. More than 95 percent of my mail is trash. I just want to stop the trash from coming, but the Government forces everyone to have a box for them to deposit the trash and makes you pay for it. Look at how much junk mail is deposited into the trash cans at the mail stations.

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

I have never paid for a single piece of junk mail. The post office is NOT paid for by the government, so my taxes are not paying for it, it is the companies sending the mail.

Here is a solution for you, rent a mailbox, forward ALL your mail to that address. Then forget where you rented it and never pay another month's rent on it, and NEVER tell the post office where you live. Instantly you will never get any mail again. If any comes here, never get it out of the mailbox here.

No one is forcing you to use the mailbox. I promise the police will not show up and arrest you when your mailbox fills up.

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2012960]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Also, the USPS wants to tell people that they are self-funding, but they only want to count their current operating expenses, even though a huge part of their expenses are for benefits to retirees. Their accounting argument is ridiculous. Read the GAO reports.

Also, the post office doesn't want to tell people that, it is the law. And the reason the post office is in such deep debt is because of an unreasonable mandate concerning retirement benefits, which was forced on them by the government.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Companies pay for the privilege of filling your mailbox with junk. You don't pay a dime, the sender pays it all to send something to you. When spam ads fill up your mailbox, just gather it in a pile and toss it at the end of the week. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. Really. The options: Spam marketing companies can pay their reduced fee for spamming your mailbox. Or government can make those spams illegal and they have to find some other source of revenue to keep the place going. That means raising the cost of service. You want delivery tomorrow, it'll cost you $4.00 for a 1-page letter in a standard size 10 envelope going to the town hall in the next county. If you want to send to another state, that'll cost you 6 minimum for 1 page. Across the country in 3 days $8.75. Especialy since the USPS has rejected spam mail to everyone, so that revenue stream no longer exists. So the USPS goes bankrupt and dies a sad death.

And here comes UPS, DHL, and Amazon to cost you $10.99 to send a 1 ounce package anywhere in your state. Anything bigger will take 2 days longer. Further away will cost another 4.75... so you want to send gift box of cookies to a friend across te country? It'll set you back a good $40 just for shipping a box of cookies that cost you less than $5.00 to make. Want to send a payment for your kids dental costs to the dentist office? Well it's a form, with a check in it, and the value is over $1000 so it needs to get insured, and wrapped in a no-peek page in a no-peek envelope, certified and insured and made a priority send to make sure they get it in time. That's gonna cost you $14.95 for a 3-day letter with check sent to another town in your county. And if you send it on a Friday, that 3-day letter won't get anywhere until WEDNESDAY because Friday night it's closed down. Saturday - closed. Sunday - closed. On Monday they get to route it and assign it a truck. so maybe Tuesday they'll get the check.

USPS the way it works now is efficient. Or has been until DeJoy got his mitts onto it.

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2013065]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I have never paid for a single piece of junk mail. The post office is NOT paid for by the government, so my taxes are not paying for it, it is the companies sending the mail.

Here is a solution for you, rent a mailbox, forward ALL your mail to that address. Then forget where you rented it and never pay another month's rent on it, and NEVER tell the post office where you live. Instantly you will never get any mail again. If any comes here, never get it out of the mailbox here.

No one is forcing you to use the mailbox. I promise the police will not show up and arrest you when your mailbox fills up.

Your solution won't work because of official mail that comes from the IRS, a jury summons, and other official mail that cannot be ignored. So, you are being forced to use the mailbox.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Oy Vey. Ask them. Lots of investigation go on for years. Just reading about one that was started almost 2 years ago by some guy with a big white beard from Connecticut (no not Santa).

Here's a more recent one for something else: FBI Investigates Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Over Campaign Fundraising : NPR

Let me know when they find something concrete...

[GrumpyOldMan]

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;2013083]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Your solution won't work because of official mail that comes from the IRS, a jury summons, and other official mail that cannot be ignored. So, you are being forced to use the mailbox.

Sorry, no you are not forced. You choose to. You will not be arrested for not having a mailing address. Ask me how I know (hint, has to do with having been homeless for over 6 months.)

[retiredguy123]

[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;2013476]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Sorry, no you are not forced. You choose to. You will not be arrested for not having a mailing address. Ask me how I know (hint, has to do with having been homeless for over 6 months.)

So, what do I put on my Federal tax return in the space that asks for a mailing address? Should I leave it blank? I really don't think that will work.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Let me know when they find something concrete...

I have to agree, same with investigating HRC for 25 years... wake me when there is an indictment.