[Ben Franklin]

I'm going to push for skate boards, roller blades, and golf carts to all share the road with bicyclist. If bikes can use the roads designed for safe and efficient flow of vehicle traffic, than anything with wheels should be allowed on roads. Right?

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

I'm going to push for skate boards, roller blades, and golf carts to all share the road with bicyclist. If bikes can use the roads designed for safe and efficient flow of vehicle traffic, than anything with wheels should be allowed on roads. Right?

Right.

[Sherry8bal]

Bicyclists in The Villages think they DON'T have to STOP at ANY stop sign here. They break all kinds of laws.

[Villagesgal]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

And yet the other day A large group of bicyclists did not pull over to let me pass they were riding six or eight of breast taking up the full Lane

I'm sure that is quite an exaggeration, 6 or 8 cyclists can not fit into one lane when next to each other, 3 is even tight. Also, they do not have to move over to let you pass. Read the new law.

[Villagesgal]

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal

Bicyclists in The Villages think they DON'T have to STOP at ANY stop sign here. They break all kinds of laws.

Not ALL bicyclists. Many driver's here in the Villages also don't stop at stop signs and break all kinds of laws, so what is your point? Terrible driver's and cyclists move to the Villages? Or were you just venting?

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

In five years I have yet to see a bicycle obey a stop sign.

Are you the one in a thousand who comes to a complete stop in your car at every stop sign? If so, my hat's off to you!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sarcasm noted and appreciated.

Personally, I think coming to an absolute complete stop at a stop sign with no one around is a total waste of time, does nothing to improve safety, and as stated above, not practiced by most drivers of anything with wheels.

I also think 90% of the stop signs on MMPs should be yield signs---they are being treated that way anyway.

That being said, the yield signs should be STRICTLY OBEYED. Want to guess the number one cause of all accidents???? That's right, it is FAILURE TO YIELD THE RIGHT OF WAY.

There are many great examples:

*****On the BV MMP headed north from the Hillsborough gate, you round the curve and have the option of going straight or making a left to go through the tunnel to get to Hendry. There have been severe accidents and many near misses because the person making the left to the tunnel fails to yield to the southbound cart. Because it is only a 30 degree left turn, many think they are going straight and not turning left. They need a sign similar to that by the tunnel under Morse at Saratoga that states "left hand turn yield to straight traffic"
*****Just about any RB as you round towards your exit, a pack of 30 cyclists will blow through the yield sign right in front of you as a single entity. I love to see their faces as I pull up to 3 feet short of them as I lean on the horn. It's like "who, me? I was just playing follow the leader"
*****Then of course , there is the perennial nightmare of the Morse/Paige Pl. RB
*****The tendency of other cart drivers on roads with a cart lane to run right through a stop sign of a side street to get in front of you (and then usually crawl at 13 mph)
*****Then there's the drivers and cyclists who don't bother to stop or yield when exiting a tunnel. This applies to the occasional car that exits a tunnel on a MMP as well

And there's plenty more like this
Bottom line I rather see rolling stops at stop signs than failure to yield when required.

That’s your opinion, there is decades of data and countless traffic engineers that would disagree. However, if you roll through a stop because you did not see the oncoming motorcycle and it results in a death, you should be charged with reckless homicide.

I am all for replacing all intersections with round-abouts. But as long as there are stops signs. It is important to stop.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Tim C.

bikes that run through stop signs aren't just a danger to themselves and others, but **** me off. its a sort of arrogance. especially the ones that wear shirts like they are training for the Olympics or something - we used to call them "Spandex Douchebags" on the Pinellas County trails.

Wow. What a nice guy! And, such an open mind! Talk about arrogance...

I can't speak for the casual cyclist who doesn't know the rules of the road and foolishly rides without a helmet, but I assure you that there is exactly zero arrogance involved with serious cyclists. Unlike you, we know the rules of the road with regards to cycling and we do what is safest for us and people around us and we don't pull out in front of motorists and are not a danger. We are not just cyclists, but we are motorists, too, and we have a much better idea of what is safe than you do.

And we "Spandex Douchebags" wear cycling jerseys for damn good reasons. When riding 30-50 miles at 15-20 mph, it is necessary to stay cool. A cotton t-shirt won't do that. The jerseys are also more visible than a standard t-shirt. They have tight sleeves and necks to prevent wind and insects from getting underneath. Nothing like having a ****ed off hornet inside your shirt!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

And yet the other day A large group of bicyclists did not pull over to let me pass they were riding six or eight of breast taking up the full Lane

Originally Posted by Windguy

The law is that if the lane is less than 14’ wide, the cyclists own the whole lane. There are no lanes in TV that are 14’ wide. That was what point 4 was in the original post. And, we never ride six wide. What you saw was an illusion as the riders were shifted forward and backward from each other, but they might have looked six wide from you point behind the group.

Agree that "six or eight of breast [sic]" is an exaggeration but "own the whole lane" is a rather strong interpretation of the words in the law.

I wonder what road this was on. Where in TV, and outside the squares, is there a roadway used by large groups of bicyclists that does not have a bicycle/MMP lane? No, there is no MMP or bicycle lane on my street but it is so short that a car would not have room to pass a group of eight bicyclists anyway.

[ThehappypeopleLOL]

Florida law 316.130(7) prohibits interfering with a pedestrian lawfully in the crosswalk. If there are no traffic control signals or signs, the driver MUST YIELD to a pedestrian in the crosswalk. To help motorists comply with Florida law The Villages should install crosswalk signs at all crossings for pedestrian safety.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

That’s your opinion, there is decades of data and countless traffic engineers that would disagree. However, if you roll through a stop because you did not see the oncoming motorcycle and it results in a death, you should be charged with reckless homicide.

I am all for replacing all intersections with round-abouts. But as long as there are stops signs. It is important to stop.

Care to cite any of them?????
Also, I believe the number of traffic engineers, past , present and future are finite, and therefore not "countless"
Also, since I'm in a picky mood, decades is a pleural, therefore there ARE decades of data...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ThehappypeopleLOL

Florida law 316.130(7) prohibits interfering with a pedestrian lawfully in the crosswalk. If there are no traffic control signals or signs, the driver MUST YIELD to a pedestrian in the crosswalk. To help motorists comply with Florida law The Villages should install crosswalk signs at all crossings for pedestrian safety.

No! Don't litter the area with useless signs.

Anyone who cares knows that pedestrians have the right of way in a crosswalk - they don't need dozens of signs to remind them.

Anyone who doesn't care won't be convinced to care just because there are now dozens of new signs.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ThehappypeopleLOL

Florida law 316.130(7) prohibits interfering with a pedestrian lawfully in the crosswalk. If there are no traffic control signals or signs, the driver MUST YIELD to a pedestrian in the crosswalk. To help motorists comply with Florida law The Villages should install crosswalk signs at all crossings for pedestrian safety.

Florida statute 316.130(2) prohibits pedestrians from walking on any paved roadway intended for vehicular traffic when a sidewalk is available. Let's enforce that one first and get these rocket scientists off the cart/bicycle paths.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

That’s your opinion, there is decades of data and countless traffic engineers that would disagree. However, if you roll through a stop because you did not see the oncoming motorcycle and it results in a death, you should be charged with reckless homicide.

I am all for replacing all intersections with round-abouts. But as long as there are stops signs. It is important to stop.

But if you first stopped at a stop sign and then proceeded because you did not see the oncoming motorcycle and it results in a death, then you should NOT be charged with reckless homicide? Seems like the problem was entering the intersection into the path of the oncoming motorcycle and not whether your tires stopped rotating for some undefined period of time.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Agree that "six or eight of breast [sic]" is an exaggeration but "own the whole lane" is a rather strong interpretation of the words in the law.

I wonder what road this was on. Where in TV, and outside the squares, is there a roadway used by large groups of bicyclists that does not have a bicycle/MMP lane? No, there is no MMP or bicycle lane on my street but it is so short that a car would not have room to pass a group of eight bicyclists anyway.

As someone who rode MMPs for years before switching to the boulevards, I assure you that the roads are actually safer than the MMPs. Plus, it's hard to get a 50-mile ride into just a few hours if on the MMPs.

Yes, we **** off some nasty motorists when on the roads, but we also **** off the cart riders on the MMPS. No matter where we ride, we annoy motorists. Would you like us to do 5000 trips around our driveways so we don't delay you by 30 seconds? I could probably get it done in 10-12 hours, but it would be dangerous to circle so slowly in such a tight space.