[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Sorry, with all due respect for riders, walkers etc. riding those recumbents anywhere near
5000 lb. vehicle traffic lanes, (even with a 20' flag), you have to have a death wish.

Enough of the “death wish” nonsense. More people die from obesity related diseases than people were ever killed exercising. Gluttony is alive and well in the Villages. In the USA today the most recent three year average from the CDC shows that the average adult male 20 years old and older comes in at a porky 199.8 pounds! The average female over 20 hits the scale at a 170.1 pounds! Let’s look at the real “death wish.” Overeating and lack of exercise kill more people than most of us realize. Let’s get out of our cars and golf carts and start walking and bicycling more. This is a retirement community. We are supposed to be all over the place walking, jogging, bicycling, and golfing.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

I don't know what the driver saw other than we were crossing with a crosswalk signal in a designated crosswalk lane. I do know they attempted to run us over.

If they had how would this have played out for the motorist? Failure to yield for a pedestrian. On civil side this would be negligence. Pretty clear cut.

Ask yourself, as a driver, is it worth it to lose everything that you own, everything that you have worked for your entire life to harm a cyclist or 'cut it close' because you are irritated, in a rush, or convinced you are correct? Is it the right thing to do, to teach 'the spandex crowd a lesson", ever?

Three times now you have stated that the SUV attempted to run you over. This implies knowledge of the SUV driver's intent. Do you somehow know he was trying to run you over? And even if that is true, are you contending that the driver intended to run you over but when he got closer to your two-wheeled bicycle he realized it was impossible?

Or possibly the driver made a bad choice and didn't see you in the intersection when he began his turn onto Pinellas Place.

Or possibly, the driver was waiting in the intersection to make a left turn as his light changed to red which, as discussed in other threads, is appropriate in Florida. And maybe as he was making his legal turn the crosswalk light turned green. Seeing a green crosswalk signal you entered the crosswalk without first checking to see if there was oncoming traffic.

Clearly, there is no way for us to know what happened just as there is no way for you to know what was in the mind of the driver.

Fortunately, no one was harmed.

[Mohawksin]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

You can't fix stupid and drivers in cars and carts think they own the road and will continue to treat bikers as having NO rights on the road. That's the Entitled attitude of the Villages, JMHO
P.S. Golf cart path seems to be worse to ride than the roads, its a crap shoot in the villages!

Where is a golf cart path that you can ride? I though golf cart paths were for golfers. Do you use a biker while playing golf?

[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Three times now you have stated that the SUV attempted to run you over. This implies knowledge of the SUV driver's intent. Do you somehow know he was trying to run you over? And even if that is true, are you contending that the driver intended to run you over but when he got closer to your two-wheeled bicycle he realized it was impossible?

Or possibly the driver made a bad choice and didn't see you in the intersection when he began his turn onto Pinellas Place.

Or possibly, the driver was waiting in the intersection to make a left turn as his light changed to red which, as discussed in other threads, is appropriate in Florida. And maybe as he was making his legal turn the crosswalk light turned green. Seeing a green crosswalk signal you entered the crosswalk without first checking to see if there was oncoming traffic.

Clearly, there is no way for us to know what happened just as there is no way for you to know what was in the mind of the driver.

Fortunately, no one was harmed.

You were not there. I was. I know the intent, you do not. All motor vehicles must yield to pedestrians. Cyclists are pedestrians in crosswalks.

You do not understand this. Please turn in your driver's license for the safety of every pedestrian, you are a danger to all of us.

[Babubhat]

Absurd comment Meister. You can drive without a license here and all a judge will do is give $500 bond. Justice in the area is non existent.

Additionally your perpetually angry responses are unwelcome

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Mohawksin

Where is a golf cart path that you can ride? I though golf cart paths were for golfers. Do you use a biker while playing golf?

multi use path genius.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

multi use path genius.

Yup, but wait, you need to go stand in the corner for posting a helpful answer. Those are not allowed

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Art cov

Everyone, no matter the means of transportation, must be on alert. Driving, riding, jogging, and walking, please be careful. Please, when out having a few drinks, DO NOT GET BEHIND THE WHEEL! You could regret something for the rest of your life

Our Son who loves to run, jog and walk when visiting, says “TV is one of the most dangerous places
he has been to exercise outside”. It does appear to be a bit better south of Rt. 44 in the new area of TV. On foot you still have to be extra alert through the tunnels, across the bridges and on the multi-modal trails.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frank1975

Most auto drivers know and abide by this. Now the golf cart drivers are something else. In fact most don't think a walker, jogger or biker should be on the trails. Most will not give 3 feet clearance. It's a sad situation this has turned into. This will continue until someone gets killed.

And it will re-establish itself SOON after that. The paths are not regulated because it would cost too much for the small resulting improvement. The best way for improvement would be senior concentrated advertising to convince the path walkers to wear add-on rearview mirrors so that they could see the oncoming golf carts and bicycles and have time to step off of the road.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

You were not there. I was. I know the intent, you do not. All motor vehicles must yield to pedestrians. Cyclists are pedestrians in crosswalks.

You do not understand this. Please turn in your driver's license for the safety of every pedestrian, you are a danger to all of us.

Now I'm totally confused. Which crosswalk were you in? Crossing Pinellas at the entrance off 466A or crossing 466A. Was the car turning into Pinellas Pl., exiting onto 466A, or travelling on 466A???
And are you saying you know the driver intended to run her over?
Please clarify, I'm having trouble visualizing this.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And it will re-establish itself SOON after that. The paths are not regulated because it would cost too much for the small resulting improvement. The best way for improvement would be senior concentrated advertising to convince the path walkers to wear add-on rearview mirrors so that they could see the oncoming golf carts and bicycles and have time to step off of the road.

Walkers should be walking facing traffic.
Bikes ride with traffic.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Walkers should be walking facing traffic.
Bikes ride with traffic.

Yes, that IS ideal, but I have heard that walkers often walk in the right side of the path and in the same direction as the bikes and golf carts. What about them?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, that IS ideal, but I have heard that walkers often walk in the right side of the path and in the same direction as the bikes and golf carts. What about them?

That's easy---they're idiots

[Bill14564]

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[JayK!]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

Disagree with the "rolling stop"...anywhere. You want to ride a bike? You have to abide by motor vehicle laws where applicable. Most of the cyclists I observe do NOT do even a rolling stop. If you can't do a track stand then you'll have to put your feet down. If you don't like to have to do that then pick routes that don't have lights or stop signs. Also learn to signal your intent when approaching an intersection. Thanks.

I totally agree with you! Multil-modal paths were created to be used by bicyclists, too. Buena Vista Blvd. and Morse Blvd. are a challenge for any motorist, let alone trying to avoid bicycle users. Also, bicycle users should be required to have rear view mirrors, blinking hazard lights and wear bright-colored clothing.