[ryoungs]

I have hunted on-line but can't find the answer to this question: a few years ago, I rented out my 2 bedroom house in the Villages to a very nice elderly lady and bought a second, three bedroom to use on the rare occasions my family and I get to come there. Now, I find that being an absentee homeowner no longer works for me, at least not for the larger house which remains empty much of the year. So, I plan to sell the larger house and keep the rental. I don't care about the rental income, but I am not heartless enough to evict the lady who rents from me. And therein lies my Delima: If I do sell, can I get a guest pass through my renter's account for my family and me if we should come there? We will have to stay in a hotel for the short time we are there, but that's no problem. It is the guest pass question I need to know about. I know I could call the Villages to get my question answered, but I don't want to do that if I can keep from it. I am a little strange that way.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ryoungs

I have hunted on-line but can't find the answer to this question: a few years ago, I rented out my 2 bedroom house in the Villages to a very nice elderly lady and bought a second, three bedroom to use on the rare occasions my family and I get to come there. Now, I find that being an absentee homeowner no longer works for me, at least not for the larger house which remains empty much of the year. So, I plan to sell the larger house and keep the rental. I don't care about the rental income, but I am not heartless enough to evict the lady who rents from me. And therein lies my Delima: If I do sell, can I get a guest pass through my renter's account for my family and me if we should come there? We will have to stay in a hotel for the short time we are there, but that's no problem. It is the guest pass question I need to know about. I know I could call the Villages to get my question answered, but I don't want to do that if I can keep from it. I am a little strange that way.

Then the question is whether a renter, who should have a non-owner ID, can submit an application for a guest pass?

In order to submit an application you have to sign in with your Villages ID number and PIN. Does your renter have one of those?

And what the heck, just try it. Have them submit the application for a one-day guest pass for you using your out of state address.

[JOERILLA]

I don't think you can have it both ways...When you got the guest ID for your tenant the Villages takes your owners ID in its place, the idea being that your tenant is now taking your spot. You can't have a tenant in a rental using her guest pass and ALSO retain your owners pass for amenities tied to the same house. They will issue another guest pass to the address of the house for you but cancel your tenants pass at the same time.

[Bilyclub]

I'm thinking the computer will flag the name and birthdate as a resident/owner who gave up their amenity rights to the renter of the house.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

I'm thinking the computer will flag the name and birthdate as a resident/owner who gave up their amenity rights to the renter of the house.

You're giving a lot of credit to the programmer.

You do have to give up your Villages ID card if you want a renter to be able to get a non-owner ID card. The question is whether the non-owner ID card carries with it the ability to apply for guest passes. I would think that it does. I would think that someone in a home for a year would be able to have guests down and take them to the pool.

I also believe that anyone with a permanent residence out of the area can be a guest of a current resident whether they own property here or not.

But it's easy enough to try to submit an application and find out.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by JOERILLA

I don't think you can have it both ways...When you got the guest ID for your tenant the Villages takes your owners ID in its place, the idea being that your tenant is now taking your spot. You can't have a tenant in a rental using her guest pass and ALSO retain your owners pass for amenities tied to the same house. They will issue another guest pass to the address of the house for you but cancel your tenants pass at the same time.

This is 100% the way it works. Congratulations for posting the correct answer.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Then the question is whether a renter, who should have a non-owner ID, can submit an application for a guest pass?

In order to submit an application you have to sign in with your Villages ID number and PIN. Does your renter have one of those?

And what the heck, just try it. Have them submit the application for a one-day guest pass for you using your out of state address.

When we rented for two months, we were able to get guest passes for my daughter and her fiancé when they visited for a week...

We went to a regional rec center with our "renters" pass and it was no problem...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

When we rented for two months, we were able to get guest passes for my daughter and her fiancé when they visited for a week...

We went to a regional rec center with our "renters" pass and it was no problem...

Never thought about going in person. Thanks for the info.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

When we rented for two months, we were able to get guest passes for my daughter and her fiancé when they visited for a week...

We went to a regional rec center with our "renters" pass and it was no problem...

Way I understand it he’s selling his house in villages and keeping the rental property. Which means he only has one residents and it’s filled with renter. IMO he on the outside till he repossessed the house. So, by rules posted no he can’t get guess passes but the renter can cause she possess the house. I guess he could get her to request guess passes for him. He would be guess I would think now?

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

When we rented for two months, we were able to get guest passes for my daughter and her fiancé when they visited for a week...

We went to a regional rec center with our "renters" pass and it was no problem...

When you as a landlord rent your place and agree to get the lessee a residence pass ($50 for those of you that know the system) you have surrendered your rights to all TV amenities that require an ID pass. The lessee now has the right to get guest passes the same as you did before you surrendered your right until the lessee period is expired.

[SIRE1]

I think his idea just might work. First, the renter now has the Rental ID, and it contains a golfer ID number and the owner has relinquished his ID number. That Renter can use that Rental ID number for all of the amenities in The Villages, including requesting guest passes for their family and friends. Since the owner has a legitimate out of state address, on his drivers license, I suspect that the Renter could request a Guest Pass for him as if he were going to stay in the home while he is visiting the Renter. I doubt The Villages computer system would catch it. Like some of the other posters have indicated, I think you should give it a try right now and see if the Renter could request a Guest pass for you for a day or two. If that works, then just have the Renter request a Guest Pass whenever you planned to visit.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by SIRE1

I think his idea just might work. First, the renter now has the Rental ID, and it contains a golfer ID number and the owner has relinquished his ID number. That Renter can use that Rental ID number for all of the amenities in The Villages, including requesting guest passes for their family and friends. Since the owner has a legitimate out of state address, on his drivers license, I suspect that the Renter could request a Guest Pass for him as if he were going to stay in the home while he is visiting the Renter. I doubt The Villages computer system would catch it. Like some of the other posters have indicated, I think you should give it a try right now and see if the Renter could request a Guest pass for you for a day or two. If that works, then just have the Renter request a Guest Pass whenever you planned to visit.

but doesn't the guest have to have the resident id owner present when the guest does any of the activities?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

but doesn't the guest have to have the resident id owner present when the guest does any of the activities?

Only if they are under 19 or are using an in-area family pass

[SIRE1]

It would be just the same as when you have family or friends visiting from out of town. You request a Guest pass so they can use the pools and the rec center activities. You either go over to the REC Center in person and request a Guest Pass or do it on-line. You give their name and permanent address, which has to match their drivers license if they would ever be asked to prove it (but I doubt if anyone has experienced that). That guest can then use the Guest Pass for many activities without the person who requested the pass from being present. So, in this case, the renter would request a guest pass for one of their "friends" (who just happens to also be their landlord) and that guest can use the amenities of The Villages for the time period requested on the Guest Pass. And if all the Owner wants to do is use the pool, everyone on this forum keeps complaining that no one checks for ID's at pools anyway, so I say like they say in gangster movies, "don't worry about it". But I would live to know if The Villages system would check ownership reoords - - - but then, maybe a Villager programmer is making those changes right now as we read this forum thread.

Why does the renter have the owner id?

Who's on first... what came first the chicken or the egg??

Renter should have a blue id and owner hold the green. Renter is not the ultimate authority or liable person for the property, owner is.
Deed compliance and use of ammenities per compliance is on owner you would think should something seriously adverse happen not a renter using owner status.

Seems strange to me to give a renter owner identity. Surprising but not surprising T V is okay with owner id not matching the property id.