[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

In Ms Green's version, Bibas was at the rear of the car (and perhaps prone due to "tripping") and shot the tires / car. In the drivers account, Bibas was in front of the car when he shot.

It would seem that simple, basic forensic evidence could quickly determine which version is truthful.

I don't care if he was hanging over the car from a helicopter and the guy in the car was taunting him with nasty signs, he had NO reason to shoot his gun at them.

[LndLocked]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't care if he was hanging over the car from a helicopter and the guy in the car was taunting him with nasty signs, he had NO reason to shoot his gun at them.

First of all I am not supporting either version, as I was not a witness nor participant .... only stating that simple evidence should be able to determine which is factual. Secondly, I did not in anyway condone using a weapon.

but for the sake of argument (as you seem to want to manufacture one with me) Let's just say that ms. Green's version is correct .... in which case the driver was literally attempting to run over Bibis. Would he be justified then? Do you support Fla's "stand your ground" law?

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Do you really think this is the only place this is happening?

Unfortunately no. It's happening all over. Just hate the drinking and guns combo. Leave the guns out of the bars. If you can't stay sober, leave your gun at home.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

First of all I am not supporting either version, as I was not a witness nor participant .... only stating that simple evidence should be able to determine which is factual. Secondly, I did not in anyway condone using a weapon.

but for the sake of argument (as you seem to want to manufacture one with me) Let's just say that ms. Green's version is correct .... in which case the driver was literally attempting to run over Bibis. Would he be justified then? Do you support Fla's "stand your ground" law?

Sorry Landlocked. you are always a fair person. I'd have to think that jumping out of the way or moving quickly would have made him safer than firing his gun, but I have never shot a gun or driven a motorcycle but I have nice friends here who do both.

I can't imagine trying to kill anyone with a car or a gun unless they were trying to harm my family. And yes I do support Second Amendment rights to own a firearm.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by cattywampus

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Aggravated Assault , involving Discharge of a Firearm.

PLUS.......Florida Mandatory Minimum Sentencing
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EQUALS === Twenty Years in State Prison


Anybody know what he has been charged with .????

None of the published articles, as far as I can see, have stated what the charges will be, only that he was arrested when police found him in Lake County. Perhaps future articles will divulge what charges he faces and when and where he will appear to face those charges. As a poster cited previously, this case should not be that difficult to figure out by examining the evidence.

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

I bet all the golf carts will have to have bulletproof glass installed and the residents will need to wear bulletproof vest. The bubble is now a magnet. Soon ISIS & Ebola will headline at the squares. Has anyone added bars to theirs windows yet ?

My point exactly. Guns don't belong here. This is a retirement community. Who are you protecting yourself from? The only thing in my opinion that questions the safety of TV is wondering which senior citizen is walking around with a gun and doesn't know what to do with it. There is no reason to fire a weapon here unless your life is in imminent danger. I don't think the motorcycle guys life was in imminent danger. He was just a hotshot who wanted to scare the other guy.

[NECHFalcon68]

Originally Posted by gerryann

Unfortunately no. It's happening all over. Just hate the drinking and guns combo. Leave the guns out of the bars. If you can't stay sober, leave your gun at home.

I thought this happened on 466.
I dont remember hearing of any bar-related shootings here in TV....

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by NECHFalcon68

I thought this happened on 466.
I dont remember hearing of any bar-related shootings here in TV....

It is against the law in Florida to carry a gun into a bar. Other business establishments are asking customers to leave their guns outside, such as Panera's, Target, Starbucks. Where do concealed carry license holders leave their guns when shopping in these places or entering a bar?

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by janmcn

It is against the law in Florida to carry a gun into a bar. Other business establishments are asking customers to leave their guns outside, such as Panera's, Target, Starbucks. Where do concealed carry license holders leave their guns when shopping in these places or entering a bar?

Maybe at home?

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Miles42

This isn't some quaint little village. We are home to thousands and not exempt from idiots.

I can't improve on that for a comment, thanks, Miles.
Matter of fact, i am making a keyboard shortcut so I don't have to type it all every time it is appropriate to post.
You're not claiming a copyright are you?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act ????? You blame this on all of the good, law abiding people that exercise their God given right to carry a weapon? First of all, we don't even know if this guy had a permit. The gun could have been illegal. Secondly, how often have you heard of this kind of incident or any kind of illegal gun incident occurring involving people with CCPs?

We really have no idea what went on here. There are conflicting reports and I, personally, will wait for all of the information to come out before I post an opinion. But, I will not blame this one the legions of law abiding people, the vast majority of which have no desire to ever shoot anyone, that choose to carry a firearm.

And I will not make posts inferring that this sort of event is commonplace.

Re-read his post. He was not saying all carry concealed people act like the Harley guy. He was saying the Harley guy-type people are giving carry concealed people a bad name. Kinda like those few dog poop people give the rest of us owners a bad name.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by gerryann

My point exactly. Guns don't belong here. This is a retirement community. Who are you protecting yourself from? The only thing in my opinion that questions the safety of TV is wondering which senior citizen is walking around with a gun and doesn't know what to do with it. There is no reason to fire a weapon here unless your life is in imminent danger. I don't think the motorcycle guys life was in imminent danger. He was just a hotshot who wanted to scare the other guy.

you might want to ask that auto driver if he would consider carrying a gun after being shot at? i never owned a gun but stories like this ae changing my mind. When you consider we are no longer strong enough to defend ourselves with our fists perhaps an equalizer like this is exactly what people of retirement age need


Personal Best Regards:

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by rubicon

you might want to ask that auto driver if he would consider carrying a gun after being shot at? i never owned a gun but stories like this ae changing my mind. When you consider we are no longer strong enough to defend ourselves with our fists perhaps an equalizer like this is exactly what people of retirement age need


Personal Best Regards:

I don't know you but I seriously do not think you truly believe this. I have seen comments from you over the years, and I do not believe you really think that senior citizens need to be walking around with guns! Tell us you're not serious with your statement.
And regarding the man who was shot.....I DO NOT think he wishes he had a gun on him when he was shot at.

[kittygilchrist]

Having a weapon in your vehicle is legal for anyone.
Permits are required to carry it on your person, or to have it immediately accessible in vehicle.
Example: if you unlock glove box to access, that does not require permit by law. If it is on the seat beside you, permit is required.
So it does not matter if this offender has a permit or not--nobody is allowed to pull, brandish or shoot under circumstances described.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Re-read his post. He was not saying all carry concealed people act like the Harley guy. He was saying the Harley guy-type people are giving carry concealed people a bad name. Kinda like those few dog poop people give the rest of us owners a bad name.

The exact quote that I took from his post was, "Come on Concealed Carry, people clean up your act".

That's pretty clear to me. He's telling conceal carry people to clean up their act before we have our rights taken away. It sounds to me like he's blaming everyone who has a permit to carry.