[Get real]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Big difference between the two. Politics is opinion and traffic circle driving is dictated by law, not opinion.

Not on here apparently.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I just checked via satellite view the bypassed RAB at Buena Vista and Rainey Trail (by Palmer), and the exit is two lanes, but they do squeeze the RAB into one lane after the exit. At that point there is only one lane of traffic because nobody has entered the RAB from the direction of the bypass lane.

golfing eagles' example is exactly what I was looking for. I went through that one yesterday, northbound on Morse, continuing northbound on Morse out of the RAB. I live in Poinciana, made a roundtrip to Homestead (aka "The Edge of the World"), went through all of those RABs thinking about this thread as I negotiated each RAB to and fro, and I never noticed that was a one lane exit.

I have to study that satellite view a while and figure how they engineered that.

golfing eagles, do you know if they have different signage on Morse as you approach that RAB?

There is no need for different signage on Morse. If you are northbound then only the right lane would exit onto Moyer and if you are southbound then only the left lane would exit onto Moyer - this is the same for all roundabouts.

The different signage is on Pinellas. Because Moyer is only a single lane, the signage indicates that only the right lane is allowed to proceed straight (180 degrees) onto Moyer; the sign shows the left lane turning left only (270 degrees).

OBB had another example of El Camino Real / Morse / Paige Place in the north. At that roundabout the signs on El Camino Real also indicate only the right lane can proceed straight (180 degrees) onto the single-lane Paige Place.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Great explanation!

No it wasn't. It is wrong
No one should need to yield in either lane in the roundabout. That is the whole object of roundabouts.
If you need to yield, you or other car is in wrong lane, or entered before both lanes were clear to left.
You yield to traffic from left, in both lanes, before entering roundabout.
So simple!

[28carl]

I learned to drive many years ago in a suburb of new york and was taught the following which I shared with my children when they learned to drive....always assume that the other driver MAY do the wrong thing and be prepared if that should happen....it must have been good advice because that was 60+ years ago and both my son and daughter have been accident free

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There is no need for different signage on Morse. If you are northbound then only the right lane would exit onto Moyer and if you are southbound then only the left lane would exit onto Moyer - this is the same for all roundabouts.

The different signage is on Pinellas. Because Moyer is only a single lane, the signage indicates that only the right lane is allowed to proceed straight (180 degrees) onto Moyer; the sign shows the left lane turning left only (270 degrees).

OBB had another example of El Camino Real / Morse / Paige Place in the north. At that roundabout the signs on El Camino Real also indicate only the right lane can proceed straight (180 degrees) onto the single-lane Paige Place.

Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever hit that RAB from Pinellas. I'm pretty sure that I need to pay closer attention to those squiggly signs though. Thanks for the heads-up.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

"That person turning right from the left lane is at fault regardless."

So how do you expect anyone in the left lane to ever get off the roundabout?

It is the person behind who should be giving the vehicle in front sufficient room to make a signaled maneuver.

When entering a two-lane roundabout, assume that someone in the inside lane may want to leave it before your turn, and join/proceed accordingly.

It all depends on where a driver enters the RAB for it to be considered a "right turn".

After a driver enters a RAB............

The first exit is a right turn.
The second exit is going straight.
The third exit is a left turn.
The fourth exit is a U turn.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

So many posting 'yield' to the car exiting the roundabout.
No one should have to yield in the roundabout, except in emegency.
You yield to cars on left, before entering roundabout.
It really is so simple!

Yes, yes, yes to this post. It is all about yielding to cars that are already circulating in the RAB. It is also a very good idea to never ever ride along side another car in the RAB. Vary your speed to stay away from others and avoid having a collision.

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I was looking, via Google Maps satellite views, for an instance in TV where two lanes merge into one, in a roundabout, and couldn't find one. I wanted to examine the striping in such a situation. All I could find were RABs that exited in all exits, with two lanes, and merged into one after the exit, usually at an village entry gate.

Can you find an example? I'd like to look at it from the bird's eye view.

Think this is what you are looking for.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by bark4me

Exactly. Since when can you turn right from the left lane or left from the right lane! Hopefully the other driver was cited

I don't think you are grasping how these RABs function. For example.......

A driver enters the RAB in the inside (left) lane and leaves the RAB at the second exit from the inside (left) lane. Do you consider that a right turn from the left lane? If you said "yes", you are wrong. That maneuver is actually going straight.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by bark4me

Unfortunately most people drive with what as known as Cerebral Rectal Inversion.

Is that the same as a rectal incliniator? Asking for a friend.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

First of all: you never enter at 12. Always 6. The clockface rotates depending upon which direction you are coming from. 12 is always your "straight" route.

2nd, you never change lanes inside a roundabout.

Just remember to maintain 20 mph; don't enter if you can see another car on your side of the circle; and remember right lanes can only exit on their first or second; left lane can never take their first exit, but can take 2, 3 and 4.

Key is to always remember the clock rotates. Easy Peasy.

Maintain 20 MPH??????? Really? I never do that. I vary my speed so I am never next to another car.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dotneko

In reference to the OP, who entered at 6, I was indicating what the person who entered at 12 could possibly do. Easy peasy.
If I enter the rotary at a one lane entrance (Cason Hammock for example) I am put on the outside lane. If I want to go north on Meggison, 3/4 of the way around, I must change to the inside lane. There are exceptions to the dont change lanes on the rotary rule depending on the lines on the road.

I you are going to circulate 3/4 of the way around, you should enter the RAB in the inside (left) lane. You should not change lanes when in the RAB.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Davonu

Good list, but one change should be made…

Avoid driving next to ALL vehicles.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There is no need for different signage on Morse. If you are northbound then only the right lane would exit onto Moyer and if you are southbound then only the left lane would exit onto Moyer - this is the same for all roundabouts.

The different signage is on Pinellas. Because Moyer is only a single lane, the signage indicates that only the right lane is allowed to proceed straight (180 degrees) onto Moyer; the sign shows the left lane turning left only (270 degrees).

OBB had another example of El Camino Real / Morse / Paige Place in the north. At that roundabout the signs on El Camino Real also indicate only the right lane can proceed straight (180 degrees) onto the single-lane Paige Place.

Again - if you are going 270 degrees coming from 441 wanting to "take a left" onto Paige Place, it means you are entering that roundabout on the inside lane. You are not /allowed/ to enter on the outside lane, and go 3/4 around the circle. That means when you get to that exit on Paige Place, you are in the INSIDE lane, and must merge onto a single-lane exit.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I was looking, via Google Maps satellite views, for an instance in TV where two lanes merge into one, in a roundabout, and couldn't find one. I wanted to examine the striping in such a situation. All I could find were RABs that exited in all exits, with two lanes, and merged into one after the exit, usually at an village entry gate.

Can you find an example? I'd like to look at it from the bird's eye view.

I've specified several times. There's the Morse/Paige/El Camino Real circle. The southern-most entrance is heading north on Morse toward 441. The eastern entrance comes from Paige Place, heading west toward El Camino Real.

The EXIT onto Paige Place is a single-lane exit, and merges IN the traffic circle with no dotted line. People coming from 441 toward Paige Place will enter on the inside lane, go 3/4 around the circle, and merge into a single lane with whoever is coming in from El Camino Real or Morse. FYI - El Camino Real is just the name of the same road as Paige Place, but the name changes at this traffic circle.

The person coming in from 441 won't know that other people are already in the circle, because the circle is landscaped in the middle and no one can see directly across from their entry spot. People coming in from Morse toward Page Place won't be able to see that someone has already entered the circle on 441, heading their way. Anyone coming in from Morse, wanting to go across to 441, MAY be on the outside lane. It is allowed. But if they choose to do that, they will be risking traffic coming from their left - from El Camino Real or 441, trying to take the exit onto Paige Place. Because there's only one lane at the point of exit onto Paige Place.