[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

From Mass. Law Updates, May 23, 2011 Massachusetts Law Updates: Can the second and third cars in line proceed through a stop sign?

This is one of the most common questions we get. People who learned to drive in Massachusetts some years ago were taught that it was OK, and don't quite believe that the law (MGL c.89, s.9) says otherwise. Happily, the Boston Globe printed a column this weekend, Some old habits aren’t right, or safe, anymore, that spells it out and quotes the experts. So, although it may have been the law "in the 1960s and early 1970s," now every car must stop when they are "at the point nearest the intersecting roadway."

Ah HAH. This explains a lot. In Ohio there is NO fudging but I recall getting into sort of a heated discussion with RussBoston on this forum years ago, the only disagreement I ever had with him and it was about Stop Signs.

Jim..Dr. Boogie is to me the epitome of a law follower. Letter of the law follower, so I kept reading this somewhat puzzled. Thank you CFrance. How very interesting. How did you know to look???

In Ohio, stopping for less than three seconds is called a "curtsy".

[CFrance]

Vindicated! Note it says it was legal back in the '60s and early '70s, but not since then.

[redwitch]

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

[Rags123]

Over 100 posts discussing with one person whether he/she should obey the law as written. Says a lot about this country, in my opinion.

I do not think, even in the age of all these "rights", that we have the "right" to pick and choose what laws we think we should obey.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

I HONESTLY and with great respect and affection to YOU, try very hard not too and don't think I do. I am a first born and I am for the rules. They protect the folks without good common sense. Don't have a high horse or a low horse. Don't feel superior, just puzzled that people don't stop at stop signs. (and I swear at them under my breath)

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I HONESTLY and with great respect and affection to YOU, can't think of any. I used to drive a few miles above the speed limit. Now Sweetie drives on major trips and I don't check. He is a very good driver. I am a first born and I am for the rules. They protect the folks without good common sense. Don't have a high horse or a low horse. Don't feel superior, just puzzled that people don't stop at stop signs. (and I swear at them under my breath)

I can honestly say in my 75 years, I know of nobody who only follows laws that THEY feel are warranted. THAT is quite scary. I dislike a lot of laws, but we are a country of LAWS and NOT MEN.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

I disagree about yield signs replacing stop signs. Look at how many people disregard yield signs at the roundabouts. the people who roll through stop signs would be bounding through yield signs. Me First/I Can Beat You Out kind of attitude.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

I don't think anyone has said they do not ever break laws or rules. I know what my point is and that is....yes, we all occasionally break laws. However, if we get a ticket we can't complain because you knew that risk was involved when you did it.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Whether we want to admit it or not, we all break laws. Some folks litter. Some folks speed. Some do rolling stops. Some refuse to wear seat belts. Some drink and drive. And so on and so forth. Most of us take our lumps when caught.

I admit that I love to drive fast when conditions permit. I've been pulled over for speeding. Heck, I've even slowed down so the officer could safely catch me. I've been lectured for going too fast but rarely received a ticket because I was actually driving safely (two tickets).

As I said earlier, TV has too many stop signs. Some make absolutely no sense. In many instances, yield signs make a lot more sense. In some instances, nothing makes the most sense.

If people would use common sense and automatically slow down when coming to an intersection, actually pay attention when driving and drive appropriately for conditions, we would probably have less traffic signs and laws and definitely have less accidents.

So, could all of you perfect, absolute law-abiding folks get off your high horse and admit that you break laws as well when you feel it is warranted?

Nobody's perfect. LOL It's been my experience in life dealing with most other people and I never thought of it before but as a fictional television character says, "Everybody lies". It took me a few years to realize this.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by DonH57

Nobody's perfect. LOL It's been my experience in life dealing with most other people and I never thought of it before but as a fictional television character says, "Everybody lies". It took me a few years to realize this.

From my perspective, I saw no one on this thread claiming perfection or sainthood.

I saw a lot of posts trying to justify continually violating laws that they do not happen to agree with.

A BIG BIG difference between the two in my opinion. Of course we all err, but we do not all proclaim to know better than whatever law being discussed.

Saying you do not stop, because YOU do not think it necessary...or to say YOU speed because in YOUR opinion that is fine is a lot different from making a mistake.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Rags123

From my perspective, I saw no one on this thread claiming perfection or sainthood. I saw a lot of posts trying to justify continually violating laws that they do not happen to agree with. A BIG BIG difference between the two in my opinion. Of course we all err, but we do not all proclaim to know better than whatever law being discussed.

Saying you do not stop, because YOU do not think it necessary...or to say YOU speed because in YOUR opinion that is fine is a lot different from making a mistake.

I do not think, even in the age of all these "rights", that we have the "right" to pick and choose what laws we think we should obey.

Good post Rags.

[memason]

I would have to assume these "letter of the law" followers are the same folks with their cruise control set at the exact speed limit and cruising in the left lane on the turnpike... taking 20 miles to pass a truck. After all, we'd all be breaking a law to pass them, right?

We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with rolling through stop signs in a neighborhood, where there is almost no traffic. In my neighborhood, less than 10% of the people "completely" stop for the stop sign, when there is no traffic.

Boogie....I'm with you; no harm, no foul

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by memason

I would have to assume these "letter of the law" followers are the same folks with their cruise control set at the exact speed limit and cruising in the left lane on the turnpike... taking 20 miles to pass a truck. After all, we'd all be breaking a law to pass them, right?

We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with rolling through stop signs in a neighborhood, where there is almost no traffic. In my neighborhood, less than 10% of the people "completely" stop for the stop sign, when there is no traffic.

Boogie....I'm with you; no harm, no foul

"We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions."

This, to me, is the reason for just about ALL laws !!!

And " no harm, no foul" UNTIL something happens and that "foul" if serious enough will generate all the "why dont they enforce the law" talk.

Why we cannot accept that laws are there FOR us.......and if everyone felt they should make the decision what law to follow, we got problems.

[red tail]

Originally Posted by memason

I would have to assume these "letter of the law" followers are the same folks with their cruise control set at the exact speed limit and cruising in the left lane on the turnpike... taking 20 miles to pass a truck. After all, we'd all be breaking a law to pass them, right?

We have so many laws, because people are not capable of thinking for themselves or being reasonable in their actions.

For the record, I see nothing wrong with rolling through stop signs in a neighborhood, where there is almost no traffic. In my neighborhood, less than 10% of the people "completely" stop for the stop sign, when there is no traffic.

Boogie....I'm with you; no harm, no foul

at last a poster that makes sense !!!!! im with you memason !!

[DonH57]

Sainthood not so much but I read of post of those who believe police officers never make mistakes or randomly select from a pack of cars for a speeding ticket on a busy interstate. They do it time to time because they are humans too. They make mistakes too. Believing this is a fair and balanced world is like believing in the Easter bunny. I've been pulled over a time or two so I guess that makes me a bad person. I can live with that. It doesn 't bother my conscience. Ego maybe.