[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Yup, I think you're right.
There are people who follow the law.
And there are people who break laws according to personal preference.
And never the twain shall meet.

I don't think that I'd like to live in a world that's as black and white as that.

[CFrance]

One has to pick one's blacks and whites. Hopefully they're all legal.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I don't think that I'd like to live in a world that's as black and white as that.

Wow! Things can become VERY complicated when the law becomes subjective.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

Look at all the different opinions on here on just this 1 subject. Everyone has different opinions. I personally stop at stop signs, and I think you are wrong if you don't. But what you think, or what I think doesn't really matter. Right now, it is the law, and the reason we have laws is to protect us. If you don't like the law, then work to change it legally--not just interept it anyway you chose. Until the law is changed, you are wrong if you do not stop at the stop signs--you, me or whoever. You can try to rationalize it , but it doesn't make you right. Change the law or obey it, or at the very least-don't try to justify it when you don't obey it

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:: I think we all sometimes do rolling stops , exceed the speed limit, etc..... but here is the point... When we do these things ( no matter our logic or reasoning) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law. A police officer is not there to judge whether what you did might have worked out ok due to circumstances. The officer can only judge if what you did was within or without the perimeters of the law. It is not really a subjective call for that officer.

[Average Guy]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

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:: I think we all sometimes do rolling stops , exceed the speed limit, etc..... but here is the point... When we do these things ( no matter our logic or reasoning) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law. A police officer is not there to judge whether what you did might have worked out ok due to circumstances. The officer can only judge if what you did was within or without the perimeters of the law. It is not really a subjective call for that officer.

Police officers make subjective calls when it comes to speeding.

Would you still have the attitude you stated in your post "IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law" if you got a ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Visa Blvd?

Or how about if you went 21 mph in a roundabout?

What about if you got that ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Vista while other cars were passing you and they did not get stopped by the police? After all, you did break the law.

If your auto insurance premium goes up as a result of that speeding ticket, would you be OK with that also since, after all, you did commit a crime?

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Average Guy

Police officers make subjective calls when it comes to speeding.

Would you still have the attitude you stated in your post "IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law" if you got a ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Visa Blvd?

Or how about if you went 21 mph in a roundabout?

What about if you got that ticket for going 36 mph on Buena Vista while other cars were passing you and they did not get stopped by the police? After all, you did break the law.

If your auto insurance premium goes up as a result of that speeding ticket, would you be OK with that also since, after all, you did commit a crime?

Yes, if I got caught doing those things I would pay without complaint because it was wrong. Have I done all of the above..of course. As your mother told you, just because Johnny jumped off the roof, would you? I am constantly passed on 466 while doing 50 mph. Yes, I know the speed limit is 45 but if I get stopped, I am guilty of exceeding the speed limit.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

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:: I think we all sometimes do rolling stops , exceed the speed limit, etc..... but here is the point... When we do these things ( no matter our logic or reasoning) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. If we get CAUGHT we must pay the penalty because we were wrong. We broke the law. A police officer is not there to judge whether what you did might have worked out ok due to circumstances. The officer can only judge if what you did was within or without the perimeters of the law. It is not really a subjective call for that officer.

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

Being polite to an officer and not having priors pretty much always pays off. I spent many years in Massachusetts and drove a company owned truck. Only contact I had with the troopers were usually pleasant and sometimes funny.

[karostay]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

Humm You seem to have a history of being pulled over

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

So if you get stopped but don't get a ticket, that officer is using good judgement? If you get a ticket it was NOT a reasonable judgement call? I'm not saying officers do not or should not make judgement calls. I am saying that when you get the ticket, you should not question their judgement because you did break the law.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by karostay

Humm You seem to have a history of being pulled over

I'm 63 years old. I've been driving since I was 16 and have been pulled over about 6 or 7 times in my life.
Yea, that's quite a history.

[karostay]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm 63 years old. I've been driving since I was 16 and have been pulled over about 6 or 7 times in my life.
Yea, that's quite a history.

Shouldn't have you learned after the first time

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm 63 years old. I've been driving since I was 16 and have been pulled over about 6 or 7 times in my life.
Yea, that's quite a history.

I seem to remember 2 speeding tickets for me. Much of Nevada did not have speed limits when I was doing a lot of driving in that state. Lots of other places I have been I did not drive all that much preferring to use mass transit like with the SF Bay area and the Twin Cities.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Officers make judgement calls all the time. I've been stopped for speeding about a half a dozen times in my life and I only got on ticket. I think that mainly it was because I didn't have any prior violations and I was very nice about the whole thing. I always admitted that I was going a bit too fast and that I lost my concentration for a bit and I apologized. In almost every case, the officer let me off.
Where I come from the law states that if you are the second or third car in line at a stop sign, you only have to stop once. You may proceed without stopping if there are no other cars in the intersection. I did that down here once right in front of an officer. I was surprised when he pulled me over. I explained the Massachusetts law and that I had just moved down here. He just said to me, "Well, that's not the law down here. Don't do it again." I thank him and was on my way. The officer made a reasonable judgement call.

From Mass. Law Updates, May 23, 2011 Massachusetts Law Updates: Can the second and third cars in line proceed through a stop sign?

This is one of the most common questions we get. People who learned to drive in Massachusetts some years ago were taught that it was OK, and don't quite believe that the law (MGL c.89, s.9) says otherwise. Happily, the Boston Globe printed a column this weekend, Some old habits aren’t right, or safe, anymore, that spells it out and quotes the experts. So, although it may have been the law "in the 1960s and early 1970s," now every car must stop when they are "at the point nearest the intersecting roadway."

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by CFrance

From Mass. Law Updates, May 23, 2011 Massachusetts Law Updates: Can the second and third cars in line proceed through a stop sign?

This is one of the most common questions we get. People who learned to drive in Massachusetts some years ago were taught that it was OK, and don't quite believe that the law (MGL c.89, s.9) says otherwise. Happily, the Boston Globe printed a column this weekend, Some old habits aren’t right, or safe, anymore, that spells it out and quotes the experts. So, although it may have been the law "in the 1960s and early 1970s," now every car must stop when they are "at the point nearest the intersecting roadway."

Near the Belvedere Library quite recently as I was going towards CR466 I counted 4 golf carts that either stopped very fast or did not stop at all as I was moving slowly toward them. Three just pedaled right on through without stopping. Cars do these frequently coming off of Churchill Downs towards the Library usually forcing me to brake for them.