[buggyone]

3) We are less likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.


Jack, I am sure that MOST of the gun carry permit holders are "good guys" BUT the two incidents that happened (lady shooting her husband and guy showing his weapon to get a parking space) WERE BOTH gun carry permit holders. One was even former LEO.

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by buggyone

3) We are less likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.


Jack, I am sure that MOST of the gun carry permit holders are "good guys" BUT the two incidents that happened (lady shooting her husband and guy showing his weapon to get a parking space) WERE BOTH gun carry permit holders. One was even former LEO.

Two incidences in a city of 80,000 in how many years? That is your case? LOL

[buggyone]

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

Not really. People, even evil, not too bright people, know that there are many gun owners here in Florida. They also know that many gun owners live here in the Villages. It is that deterrent that keeps us safe. An armed society is a polite society.

[Pat_RI]

I just wish ammo wasn't so damn expensive or short on supply.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

you are constantly saying that there is no "NEED" to carry a pistol in the villages. Please define need?

I've only carried my firearm twice in the villages. Both times it was because I was going outside the villages at night. There is no way that I can get my firearm outside of the villages without carrying in the villages.

Back to what I said before, please define need.



If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Before Vinny edited his post last night, he had in it a reason he carries a weapon is because last Christmas time in The Villages a man flashed a concealed gun to get a parking space. The man had a permit and he still did that! He got arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon. He would have been a lot better off if he had not been packing heat!

The shooting 2 years ago was a retired police officer who had a pistol at home and shot her husband. No gun, no shooting - maybe a knife, but who knows?

As I said, if I ever see a person in a bar in The Villages having a drink and they have a pistol concealed, I am calling 911 right away. If I ever see a pistol when someone is talking with me and I feel threatened, I am calling 911.

'Nuff said.

Before you waste a police officer's time you might want to read the concealed carry laws in Florida. You can drink and carry a gun in Florida. No law against it. The law does not allow you to carry in a bar or in the bar area of a restaurant. Says nothing about not drinking. It is perfectly legal to sit down at a table in a resturant and eat and drink. Despite this you would be truly amazed at the very low percentage of gun problems caused by licensed concealed carriers.

Doctors kill over 200,000 people a year compared to 13,000 gun deaths and yet no one wants to ban doctors. The reason is that they save many more lives than they take. The same is true of guns and all it takes is a desire to ferret out the truth to learn that. Your logic also escapes me. No car - no car accidents. Let's ban cars to solve the car accident problem rather then deal with the root causes.

You obviously like your first amendment rights. I also like that amendment and the second one too. Just please do not let your fears infringe on my rights. The new law about accidental showing of your concealed gun was to protect us from overzealous people. The kind one typically finds who turns in their neighbor for putting a single gnome on their lawn. The law is very strict. 3 year mandatory prison term with no parole allowed for showing a concealed carry gun in a rude, careless or angry manner. At least now we are not making felons out of good people due to a gust of wind and an anti gun activist eager to turn them in.

In case you missed them, here are just a few articles I know of about concealed carry holders defending themselves. Nationwide 13 accredited surveys showed that there was between 800,000 and 2.5 million incidents of a civilian using a gun for self defense per year. You never read about that though. Only the accidental, or more properly called, negligent discharges of weapons by people unfamiliar with the basic safety rules for gun handling or mass shootings in schools by bad guys who disregarded all the no gun signs and laws. Unfortunately the victims of these shooters obeyed the laws anti gun people favor and were defenseless to shoot back. By now with so many people with guns you would think schools would at least teach gun safety the same way they teach sex ed, drugs, internet safety, etc. Guns do not just go off. Some has to be careless and squeeze the trigger while loaded and totally ignore all the features that let you know that the gun is loaded. Any way here is just three I know of off the top of my head:

St Petersburg, FL – Retired banker Hall Palmer heard a noise and got up to investigate. As soon as he opened the door, the 70-year-old was face-to-face with a man dressed in all black and armed with a pistol. The suspect ordered Palmer to sit on the bed. He wanted the PIN for a bank card he’d found downstairs. Palmer said the card was expired, but he could give him some money. The suspect bound Palmer’s hands with twine, led him downstairs and found his billfold. The suspect then bound Palmer’s feet, gagged his mouth and went outside. But he’d underestimated his victim. Palmer wriggled free and retrieved his late father’s .38-cal. Colt Army Special revolver. When the suspect returned, Palmer fired a shot, causing him to flee. The suspect had been carrying a pillow; Palmer wonders if it was intended to muffle the sound of his execution. , The Armed Citizen/St. Petersburg Times, 01/20/2011

Lakeland FL – Denard Joe was stopped in his car at an intersection when a man wearing a red bandana tapped on the window and pointed a gun at him. Joe, a Florida concealed weapons permit holder, drew a handgun and opened fire through the window, striking his assailant twice in the chest. The carjacker, who had just been released from prison, ran a short distance and died. – The Armed Citizen/Lakeland Ledger, 04/06/2011

Daytona Beach, FL – Charles Place was walking in a restaurant parking lot when a man snuck up behind him, grabbed him and reached for his wallet. Unfortunately for the suspect, the 83-year-old man was in no mood to become a victim. Police said he resisted and was knocked to the ground. That’s when Place drew his .25-cal. semi-automatic handgun, for which he has a permit to carry. He showed his assailant the gun and demanded to be left alone. The suspect fled but was followed by a witness who helped police make the arrest. The Armed Citizen/Daytona Beach News Journal, 09/26/10

Personally I was surrounded by three drugged out men many years ago with broken bottles and a tire iron in the parking lot of my office building demanding money. A very safe place I thought but I always went armed so I merely showed my gun and they left quickly. Had I not been armed because it was a safe place it would not have turned out well for me as they were high on something that made them mean.

It happens a lot but we just do not read about it much. And remember that good people do not want to kill. It is a difficult thing to do and if you were one of the many brave men who fought in combat you would know this. We carry guns because we refuse to be victims. In this world there are sheep and sheep dogs and I'd rather protect the herd than wait to be slaughtered.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by CMANN

you are constantly saying that there is no "NEED" to carry a pistol in the villages. Please define need?

I've only carried my firearm twice in the villages. Both times it was because I was going outside the villages at night. There is no way that I can get my firearm outside of the villages without carrying in the villages.

Back to what I said before, please define need.



If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

I just carry all the time for the very reason you mentioned. I never know where I will end up. Just the other day we ended up in Orlando unplanned. I carry my gun for the same reason I buckle up to just drive a few blocks.

[graciegirl]

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I just carry all the time for the very reason you mentioned. I never know where I will end up. Just the other day we ended up in Orlando unplanned. I carry my gun for the same reason I buckle up to just drive a few blocks.

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I just carry all the time for the very reason you mentioned. I never know where I will end up. Just the other day we ended up in Orlando unplanned. I carry my gun for the same reason I buckle up to just drive a few blocks.

I have two questions.

How do you keep your firearm concealed? I would think it would be difficult wearing light clothing.

Under what circumstances would you use your firearm?

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by downeaster

I have two questions.

How do you keep your firearm concealed? I would think it would be difficult wearing light clothing.

Under what circumstances would you use your firearm?

To carry concealed in warm weather, google Tommy Gun packs. They look like fanny packs and come in a varity of colors, sizes and configerations. Besides, what tourist in Florida don't have fanny packs. I am old, I look like a tourist, what a cover right. Also with some of the pocket pistols that are available today, they fit in your pocket in a pocket holster, leave no print and are easy to get to if needed.

I would only use my firearm to protect myself, my loved one or someone who was being violently attacked in my presense. Otherwise, if I or my family are not in danger, I would back away from the situation, grab that wonderful invention call the cell phone, call 911 and let the professionals handle the situation. Now on the other hand if you are smashing in my door or window at night and attempting to gain entry to my home, you are placing yourself in extreme danger. Besides being ankle chewed by my mini doxie, you would have to face my enraged wife for messing up her window/door and brother, let me tell you that is one thing that you would want to avoid at all costs.

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

To carry concealed in warm weather, google Tommy Gun packs. They look like fanny packs and come in a varity of colors, sizes and configerations. Besides, what tourist in Florida don't have fanny packs. I am old, I look like a tourist, what a cover right. Also with some of the pocket pistols that are available today, they fit in your pocket in a pocket holster, leave no print and are easy to get to if needed.

I would only use my firearm to protect myself, my loved one or someone who was being violently attacked in my presense. Otherwise, if I or my family are not in danger, I would back away from the situation, grab that wonderful invention call the cell phone, call 911 and let the professionals handle the situation. Now on the other hand if you are smashing in my door or window at night and attempting to gain entry to my home, you are placing yourself in extreme danger. Besides being ankle chewed by my mini doxie, you would have to face my enraged wife for messing up her window/door and brother, let me tell you that is one thing that you would want to avoid at all costs.

My questions were directed at carrying. Keeping a firearm in the home is another subject.

I had a permit to carry, concealed as well as open, years ago. I never carried when not "working". When the need no longer existed I surrendered my right to carry.

I keep a firearm in my home as I feel it is prudent.

BTW, the closest I have come to using it was when the doorbell rang and my wife yelled "there is a naked man at the door". It was about 8:00 AM on a Saturday. By the time I got to the door a young man, totally nude, was walking away from our front door. Police apprehended him and determined he was stoned and probably thinking he was going for a shower. It wasn't in The Villages but it was a nice neighborhood.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by downeaster

My questions were directed at carrying. Keeping a firearm in the home is another subject.

I had a permit to carry, concealed as well as open, years ago. I never carried when not "working". When the need no longer existed I surrendered my right to carry.

I keep a firearm in my home as I feel it is prudent.

BTW, the closest I have come to using it was when the doorbell rang and my wife yelled "there is a naked man at the door". It was about 8:00 AM on a Saturday. By the time I got to the door a young man, totally nude, was walking away from our front door. Police apprehended him and determined he was stoned and probably thinking he was going for a shower. It wasn't in The Villages but it was a nice neighborhood.

in regards to how to carry think carefully about Fannie Pack carry, take care.
Then he picks a great with the exception that fanny packs designed for guns are usually larger than the standard Fannie pack. The standard Fannie pack is more difficult to access. Another problem with fanny packs is that most of the time police officers and many civilians will know that you're carrying a gun. How you ask? Next time you see somebody with a fanny pack which by the way they are generally a style look for an imprint of a wallet in his back pocket. Think to yourself, why would we have that fanny pack. You would be surprised how common this giveaway is seen.

Myself, I put my Smith & Wesson snubnosed 38 into a purposely designed pocket holster and stick it in my right front pocket. It does not imprint so that people would see it. It works for shorts and slacks. A reminder though no matter where you carry a concealed pistol it should be in a holster designed for that purpose. I have heard of cases where people have carried a pistol in their pocket and got the trigger caught in their car keys. Very embarrassing.

Just some thoughts.

[samanthagal]

Originally Posted by CMANN

I have heard of cases where people have carried a pistol in their pocket and got the trigger type in their car keys. Very embarrassing.

Not to mention painful