[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

345 posts. Does everyone agree on center striping as a compromise?

I don't think you will get agreement on any type of striping. There are the "personal responsibility" folks that will not support any safety improvements to the paths.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The agreed part was for you. The governor comment was for the one who originally suggested it. The car comment was for general consumption

Have you all read the proposal from, I believe, a District 6 Board member on her suggestions for improving cart safety?

Originally Posted by Barefoot

345 posts. Does everyone agree on center striping as a compromise?

I'm not in favor of either, but if the three supervisors must recklessly spend our money in CDD 8, I'd rather see center stripes to help keep the visually impaired from crossing the center and crashing into my wife or I. A crash off the side of a MMP into a bush is more survivable to most than a head on into another cart. To the "Rogue 3" - please use the common sense God gave you and stop the nonsense.

[Ooper]

I've read all these arguments pro and con for side striping, center striping, etc. and how it is going to keep people from driving off the paths, cause fewer accidents, etc. Many of the streets in The Villages have no side striping, they just have the concrete rain gutters that mark the edges of the road, much like the concrete edges on the MMP's. How come people aren't in an uproar to have all this striping on our roads. Do we often read how people drive off the roads because there is no side striping? Do we read how often people cross the center lines of our roads because there are no center stripes. I'm not talking about our main roads like Buena Vista or Morse, I'm talking about the majority of our village roads once you are inside the gates. I just find this perplexing.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

Have you all read the proposal from, I believe, a District 6 Board member on her suggestions for improving cart safety?

Couldn't find it, do you know where I can?

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I am a supporter of striping. I've made this quite clear in my comments. (I have ZERO association with the POA) The issue generating the discussion is side striping. Do I think a center stripe could accomplish the same as side striping, yes and no. A center stripe will certainly provide a reference for the driver in darkness and rainy weather while defining the "lanes". Where the center stripe has its shortcomings is when you have on coming headlights blinding you. You will naturally look away from the light. Having the side stripe will provide a point of reference for the right hand side of the MMP.

The reflective nature of the stripes will define the path ahead of you far more than just with your headlights on the current MPPs. On several occasions I have offered to meet anyone at 6:30 in the morning. We would take a drive down the MMP on El Camino, then down Enrique Drive where the cart lane is marked with a reflective stripe to demonstrate how much better and further you can see the cart lane. To date no takers....

In utopia, we would have both center and side striping. In TV, except for district 4 where there is a center stripe, we have neither.

The latest plan by TV is a good alternative. I will support this plan as it will improve safety on the MMPs.

That was an excellent response. Thank you.

[Happydaz]

Striping with side and center lines will turn the Multimodal paths into golf cart highways. It will make the paths less safe for walkers, joggers, and bicyclists. Unfortunately, the only concerns expressed here are about golf carts.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Striping with side and center lines will turn the Multimodal paths into golf cart highways. It will make the paths less safe for walkers, joggers, and bicyclists. Unfortunately, the only concerns expressed here are about golf carts.

Can you explain the added dangers for bikers and walkers?

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by tomwed

Can you explain the added dangers for bikers and walkers?

Golf carts may hesitate to cross the center line and try to squeeze by a walker or bicyclist, especially if a cart is coming in the opposite direction. This happens quite often now to bicyclists on narrow roads when cars try to squeeze by. That is why bike groups have to "take the lane" on narrow multi lane roads such as Morse and Buena Vista as there is not enough room for a car and a bicycle. They may hit the bicyclist, jogger, or walker. Golf carts may also do more tight maneuvers. They might stay in their lane as long as possible and go around a walker, jogger, or bicyclist at the last moment and then return to their lane too quickly after they think they have cleared the slower moving people. Cars do this all the time on highways when they pass other cars or trucks. They pull back into the lane too soon after passing.

Let's face it, joggers, walkers, and bicyclists are already low men on the totem pole and if they put all these lines on the paths it will become more obvious who these paths are for.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Striping with side and center lines will turn the Multimodal paths into golf cart highways. It will make the paths less safe for walkers, joggers, and bicyclists. Unfortunately, the only concerns expressed here are about golf carts.

I'm a biker, and I think a centerline will make it safer for bikers. Now, many times, an approaching cart from the other direction will not hesitate to come into my side of the path to cut the curve or to pas others. I have had some very close calls with this scenario. the "expert" engineer that did the study stated that he witnessed the MMP in CCD4 with the centerline. He said that carts passing others crossed over the centerline and quickly got back in their proper lane as opposed to crossing over and then meandering down the wrong side of the lane for a greater distance. That was his logic for the centerline being unsafe!

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Striping with side and center lines will turn the Multimodal paths into golf cart highways. It will make the paths less safe for walkers, joggers, and bicyclists. Unfortunately, the only concerns expressed here are about golf carts.

I believe that was one of the reasons expressed by the engineering firm the districts hired for a survey or whatever they called it for not striping. Striping the paths will give cart drivers an even more belief the paths are for golf carts only. I'm sure all of us have or will witness joggers having to jump away to avoid getting hit by the cart driver determined not to be impeded by others for whatever reason .

[biker1]

That is one of the reasons why most serious cyclists will not ride on the MMPs - too dangerous.

Originally Posted by outlaw

I'm a biker, and I think a centerline will make it safer for bikers. Now, many times, an approaching cart from the other direction will not hesitate to come into my side of the path to cut the curve or to pas others. I have had some very close calls with this scenario. the "expert" engineer that did the study stated that he witnessed the MMP in CCD4 with the centerline. He said that carts passing others crossed over the centerline and quickly got back in their proper lane as opposed to crossing over and then meandering down the wrong side of the lane for a greater distance. That was his logic for the centerline being unsafe!

[billethkid]

There always seems a need for an ongoing reminder that:

CArt paths are the paths on the golf course.

MMP are the paths connecting the rest of TV on which along with walkers, runners, bikers, golf carts are ALLOWED!!

I find the ongoing, seems like forever, discussions about the MMPs and what is needed for safety if unduly focused on golf carts.

The other misconception that is ongoing is for the few supporters that there are, they think the striping is going to change the behavior of the golf cart driver. It will not.

[tomwed]

Bikers taking the lane is a rub for some Villagers in carts. That's too bad. That's not too much to ask. Carts should get used to their presence and wait until it's safe to pass. Eventually they will. Bike riding has been gaining in popularity for years and the MMP's are so smooth and litter free.

I think the MMP's are currently dangerous and stripes will not change that for walkers. I would look for a sidewalk. If you don't feel safe walking with a child on an MMP, why would you feel safe walking without one? Can you jump out of the way as quickly as a child? Land on your feet? Or if you do hit the ground not break anything?

On a bike most seniors can maneuver almost as quickly as they always have. The MMP's feel safe to me on a bike.

[biker1]

If you are cycling on the MMPs at 10 mph then you may not feel too threatened but I still believe it is a dangerous place to be. If you like to ride at 20 mph the MMPs are not a place you want to be.

Originally Posted by tomwed

Bikers taking the lane is a rub for some Villagers in carts. That's too bad. That's not too much to ask. Carts should get used to their presence and wait until it's safe to pass. Eventually they will. Bike riding has been gaining in popularity years and the MMP's are so smooth and litter free.

I think the MMP's are currently dangerous and stripes will not change that for walkers. I would look for a sidewalk. If you don't feel safe walking with a child on an MMP, why would you feel safe walking without one? Can you jump out of the way as quickly as a child? Land on your feet? Or if you do hit the ground not break anything?

On a bike most seniors can maneuver almost as quickly as they always have. The MMP's feel safe to me on a bike.