Originally Posted by memason

Just for moment, lets assume there is NO COST to Villagers for any sort of markings on the MMP's.

Therefore, could someone make an argument for why we should not make these paths more visible and potentially safer for nighttime travel ?

When was the last cart accident (single or multiple carts, day or night, rain or shine, sober or drunk, young or old), that was due to someone not being able to see the sides of the MMP?

District 8, stop the nonsense; do what the majority of your residents want and stop the striping.

[memason]

Originally Posted by Callaway Guy

When was the last cart accident (single or multiple carts, day or night, rain or shine, sober or drunk, young or old), that was due to someone not being able to see the sides of the MMP?

District 8, stop the nonsense; do what the majority of your residents want and stop the striping.

I live in District 8...what makes you think you're in the majority?

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by OCsun

A big reason I moved to The Villages, is that it is a golf cart community.
I can see just fine according to my doctor and I drive within the speed limit alcohol free.

Guess what! They have made many improvements to help make us feel safer when we are carting and I really appreciate it. However, some new areas which are not lighted or properly marked can be a strain at times, such as the paths leading to Brownwood.

Can I drive just fine without the strips? Yes! Would it be easier for me to see and add to the enjoyment of my ride? Absolutely!

Sorry to call you out, but I do police my own abilities and nobody has the right to imply that people should stay home if they can't see at night. You are making an unfounded judgement. If improvements can be made to make our cart paths more enjoyable then we should do it.

I have stayed out of this thread because I've been commenting in the other threads on striping but wanted to jump in to thank you for your well stated post. I might "steal" you thoughts for other posts!

[bargee]

When we became Villagers in 1999 you were not allowed to operate a golf cart after dark,this was an offense for which you could be fined.I really don't have an opinion on way or the other regarding striping however I would like to see this issue resolved as I would worry that if the"Powers that be"perceive this to be a liability issue they could possibly deny us the ability to drive at night at all.

[fred53]

Originally Posted by virgind

Some one please tell me why the side stripping of the golf cart paths have to be done. Thats an expence that is a waste of money.

it's "striping"...

[bagboy]

Originally Posted by Callaway Guy

When was the last cart accident (single or multiple carts, day or night, rain or shine, sober or drunk, young or old), that was due to someone not being able to see the sides of the MMP?

District 8, stop the nonsense; do what the majority of your residents want and stop the striping.

You might want to know that of the 3 District 8 supervisors who voted for the striping, 2 are former directors of the POA, and 1 is still a director in the POA. To me that raises big red flags as to the POAs ultimate involvement in governing us, not "looking out" for our best interests which is what they profess month after month
It's up to each individual to decide whether this information matters or not.

[PennBF]

Oop's, Bagboy is right except he left out that Curb striping and mid golf lane striping both were over 85% in favor in the POA Bulletin survey. How about looking into the CDD's that have no POA influence and challenging them for not doing the striping or "attacking their motives. I personally don't care either way but hate to see the on going one sided statements to support positions and for one reason or another avoiding facts in favor of using emotions!

Originally Posted by memason

I live in District 8...what makes you think you're in the majority?

It's like no one will admit to voting for Obama; he got in twice but everyone you ask will say, "Well, I didn't vote for him". People say what you want to hear - I can voice my opinion against it (you know, actually talking to people) and will get like responses. You can talk to a person for it, and you will get like responses.

I feel like I'm part of the majority, you feel like you're part of the majority. That's our opinions and you know what those are like. I really wish the CDD would put it to a vote by the residents.

Originally Posted by fred53

it's "striping"...

Darn, I thought for a moment we were going to have hookers with shrimps on their toes stripping.

[bagboy]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Oop's, Bagboy is right except he left out that Curb striping and mid golf lane striping both were over 85% in favor in the POA Bulletin survey. How about looking into the CDD's that have no POA influence and challenging them for not doing the striping or "attacking their motives. I personally don't care either way but hate to see the on going one sided statements to support positions and for one reason or another avoiding facts in favor of using emotions!

I respect what the developer has done here. I am not envious of their success as I know how much hard work over the decades must have been put into creating The Villages. And for the most part, I think the actions of the developer usually, but not always benefit the residents here. So I do support the developer, but not blindly so.
Now for the POA, for 5 years I supported the idea of the POA, and I thought its existence seemed to provide a good check and balance tool with respect to the decisions made by the developer and the various districts and their supervisors. My opinion and support for the POA has changed and mostly due to what I perceive as a desire of the POA to obtain more power, and have a bigger voice in how we Villagers live in our communities.

Lastly, you insinuate there is bias on my part without having any idea as to how I arrived at my opinion on the parties involved, or how long it took me to do so. In reality, I seem to have a different opinion from yours, so I must be biased. I think that is a shallow opinion of the abilities of people in general to have their own opinion on topics, and also have their view of things to evolve over time and become quite different.

And I think I have wasted too much time on this subject.

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by OCsun

A big reason I moved to The Villages, is that it is a golf cart community.
I can see just fine according to my doctor and I drive within the speed limit alcohol free.

Guess what! They have made many improvements to help make us feel safer when we are carting and I really appreciate it. However, some new areas which are not lighted or properly marked can be a strain at times, such as the paths leading to Brownwood.

Can I drive just fine without the strips? Yes! Would it be easier for me to see and add to the enjoyment of my ride? Absolutely!

Sorry to call you out, but I do police my own abilities and nobody has the right to imply that people should stay home if they can't see at night. You are making an unfounded judgement. If improvements can be made to make our cart paths more enjoyable then we should do it.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I do have an honest question:

Why is all the focus on double sideline striping instead of one broken yellow line down the middle of the path?

The latter approach would cost less than 1/2 the amount of double-edge striping, be a visible guide a night for helping to keep carts on the path, and serve the additional purpose of helping to keep carts on their own side of the path.

[PennBF]

I appreciate your negative position on the POA and support for the Developer. Now for the test. Did you know that some of the 12 POA board members are PHd's and have taught at the College/University level? Did you know that some served in senior management positions in top 500 Corporations? Did you know that some are CPA's and have very strong Financial background.Of course there is many other impressive history on some of the Board members Now can you tell me the education background and outside experience of Ms Tutt? How about the ethics notification to the management of the Villages. Most large Corporations and Universities have documented rules for ethics and renew them each year. The POA has these as standard acceptable behavior. Did you know the POA has lasted for 40 years and the VHA was only formed after the Developer lost a $40M lawsuit for neglecting properties, Specifically the Paradise Center and was angry that the POA worked to ensure he met his obligation to the residents. This is enough. Have fun.

[bagboy]

The POA board members are obviously very intelligent individuals. And I'm sure there are some very sharp people working for us, and the developer. I sincerely want what's best for the future of our community, and my view on who can take us on the best path is different than others, and that's just the way life is.
And sometimes the most astute, scholarly types are thinkers, and not always the visionaries and doers and builders of assets and communities, and businesses, etc. But, as someone once said, enough is enough. Have a great Labor Day !!!

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I appreciate your negative position on the POA and support for the Developer. Now for the test. Did you know that some of the 12 POA board members are PHd's and have taught at the College/University level? Did you know that some served in senior management positions in top 500 Corporations? Did you know that some are CPA's and have very strong Financial background.Of course there is many other impressive history on some of the Board members Now can you tell me the education background and outside experience of Ms Tutt? How about the ethics notification to the management of the Villages. Most large Corporations and Universities have documented rules for ethics and renew them each year. The POA has these as standard acceptable behavior. Did you know the POA has lasted for 40 years and the VHA was only formed after the Developer lost a $40M lawsuit for neglecting properties, Specifically the Paradise Center and was angry that the POA worked to ensure he met his obligation to the residents. This is enough. Have fun.

Originally Posted by bagboy

The POA board members are obviously very intelligent individuals. And I'm sure there are some very sharp people working for us, and the developer. I sincerely want what's best for the future of our community, and my view on who can take us on the best path is different than others, and that's just the way life is.
And sometimes the most astute, scholarly types are thinkers, and not always the visionaries and doers and builders of assets and communities, and businesses, etc. But, as someone once said, enough is enough. Have a great Labor Day !!!

Lest we forget none of the above are immune to the politics. For many, much of the progress in their lives was politically influenced.

Higher levels of education and position does bring a different level of experience.....not neccessarily an automatic better qualifier for many issues in every day life.

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by Advogado

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I do have an honest question:

Why is all the focus on double sideline striping instead of one broken yellow line down the middle of the path?

The latter approach would cost less than 1/2 the amount of double-edge striping, be a visible guide a night for helping to keep carts on the path, and serve the additional purpose of helping to keep carts on their own side of the path.

Truthfully, either would work for me. I think the real focus is the cost. Others have mentioned concerns of carts, possibly not providing the proper space needed for walkers or bikers if there were center lines.

I could provide a list of stupid comparisons which cost all of us money. Then add a negative statement such as; why is it OK to pay for these things and not what I want? I won't, because many of these things provide much enjoyment or make life easier for some Villager's.

Trying to talk people into seeing things my way, is not my style. My goal is to enjoy my golf cart rides with as much visionary guidance as possible. If that requires me to pay 20 cents, by golly I'm going to do it!