[billethkid]

Originally Posted by rogerz

You haven't actually read the report then. See my earlier post re its faulty data shortcomings. Also know that engineer expressed opposition prior to study, so then we paid him $6500 to conduct a study! Guess what they came up with.

As measured or documented by who, what?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by rogerz

Let's focus on what can improve safety (for all MMP users) instead using opportunity to stake out positions.

Originally Posted by rogerz

Suggesting that we should not make safety improvements is a poor position to take.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by rogerz

Check engineer study- they chose poor data. Time of year used was summer but they "adjusted" for snowbird season... Time of day was mostly daytime since they used summer data..gets dark earlier in winter. Percentage also based on total number rather a "rate of accidents" during darkness hours vs daytime. Also they gave their opinion "prior to" conducting their study. They were paid $6500 to tell what they already told us for free!!! Tell me what's up with that?

Could you please indicate where the report indicates that only summer data was used? I would like to read that. Thanks.

[Polar Bear]

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[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

The email your received may be incorrect. The stripe, painted or thermoplastic will be four inches wide. It would be placed two inches from the edge of the MMP. This will take up 6 inches on either side. If your are concerned, please review the engineering report. It gives a detailed placement of the stripe. Also, everyone please note there will be edge striping in areas where the path is divided.

I posted that my statement was here say email. Could care less about the engineering report....You missed the joke about the guy who can't ride in the cart without their knee hanging out. So whatever the inches it changes the path, your knee needs to be in your cart. ....................................So your reaction to my post, is you didn't get it.

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

Could you please indicate where the report indicates that only summer data was used? I would like to read that. Thanks.

Janet Tutt stated that data collected would be adjusted as the study would be conducted this summer. However, the only data used in this so called study was historical crash information obtained from the Villages Public Safety Department from the years 2011 through 2014.

See the following for the study/report from Kimley Horn ->

http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/P...20150706pa0201

[tomwed]

What do we know:
there are reported accidents

there are so few reported accidents that making a change is unwarranted according to the engineering report

elected officials make the decision on striping

if agreed it becomes a RFP [line item]

if i understand it correctly the extra estimated cost amounts to less than a dollar per villager

What we don't know:
the number unreported accidents there are----not reporting an accident is not a crime

how many people will feel safe with the extra visibility of lines at night or during a storm

how many people for whatever reason use the golf cart as there only means of transportation

Yesterday I played in the men's tournament at Turtle Mound. A police car was hiding in the lot watching golf cart and parking lot car traffic. Everyone spread the word as best they could of their presence. I guess that's a more effective, more expensive solution.

In my opinion forget the stripes. Get those little speed bump reflectors and put them on each side and in the center. When you are driving a car and you hear and feel that little thump before a toll booth it's a wake up call if you are in a blinding rainstorm or a little bit sleepy.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Janet Tutt stated that data collected would be adjusted as the study would be conducted this summer. However, the only data used in this so called study was historical crash information obtained from the Villages Public Safety Department from the years 2011 through 2014.

See the following for the study/report from Kimley Horn ->

http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/P...20150706pa0201

Quite an impressive company and it isn't their first rodeo;

Kimley-Horn

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Quite an impressive company and it isn't their first rodeo;

Kimley-Horn

Procter& Gamble is also an impressive company yet I am still upset about the incorrect picture on the packaging of their Gillette blades. I was hoping that Kimley-Horn would collect and analyze new data. However, I should not have expected much from a $6,500 study.

the Gillette story ->

Complaint department Gillette or potatoes

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Procter& Gamble is also an impressive company yet I am still upset about the incorrect picture on the packaging of their Gillette blades. I was hoping that Kimley-Horn would collect and analyze new data. However, I should not have expected much from a $6,500 study.

the Gillette story ->

Complaint department Gillette or potatoes

I find this comparison very hard to understand.


I don't understand what you want to happen here in The Villages.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by tomwed

What do we know:

In my opinion forget the stripes. Get those little speed bump reflectors and put them on each side and in the center. When you are driving a car and you hear and feel that little thump before a toll booth it's a wake up call if you are in a blinding rainstorm or a little bit sleepy.

aka Botts' Dots.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botts'_dots

[triton18]

this is a WASTE of money. Only been here 2 months, hope this doesn't keep happening, throwing money away, if you cant see the path, stay off it. We drove at night in pouring down rain and had no problem, drive slow and cautious and you wont have a problem. We are adults, lets use some sense here.

[looneycat]

I don't understand the resistance to striping. public roads are striped for safety and traffic control, who is naive enough to NOT believe that MMPs are roads? why wouldn't you want that same level of safety? people want to flaunt a flawed study that was written to back up an engineering firms original recommendation. As soon as a cost was mentioned suddenly it was a bad idea, well just remember that your car has airbags and other safety equipment and yet the roads for them are still striped...your golf cart has none of those features yet you are against at least improving the roads?? I treasure the safety of my friends and family and value their safety enough to spend ONE LOUSY DOLLAR to enhance our MMPs, if that's not worth a buck to you then go 'have a nice day'.

[rcook715]

It is STRIPING not stripping

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by billethkid

from the study......65 MMP accidents over a 3 year period!

Its also about adding improvements which make our drive easier and help us to relax while driving our golf carts. I understand that some people continue to point out that this is a want of people who could solve the problem by not driving at night. We are a golf cart community and anything that adds to our safety or makes us feel safer driving golf carts should be a priority.

Should we also stop providing chairs at evening town square events. They aren't a necessity, but they do make our life easier and more enjoyable. Should we take the stance that if people want to sit, they can bring their own chairs. How about if they can't carry a chair they should just stay home.

Just for the record, I would never suggest we eliminate chairs at the squares. Activities at the square should also be a priority of our community.

It's a fact that, entertainment and the ability get around town by golf cart, are two big reasons many of us moved to the Villages. It is also what sets us apart from other retirement communities. We don't need a study to verify this fact; the size of our great community proves it.