[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

I think you are right, at least I hope so. (My uncle knew Harold Schwartz from a previously life, it was Mr. Shwartz who invited my uncle and aunt to live here. They never regretted it.) This place has an honorable history and may it continue.

Public mass transportation COULD hopefully become a REALITY if enough people would talk about it on forums and get the younger 60-year-olds to be AWARE that THEY may need it in 20 years.
......It is possible, of course, that in 10 years DRIVERLESS cars BECOME practical. And maybe driverless Golf Carts and even lawnmowers......wouldn't that be sweet, no more insane commercial lawn people driving like insane Benovos and parking trucks in the middle of the street........ah yes, one can only DREAM.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Fredster

Where does the notion that a real estate developer should take care of you in your twilight years come from?
Is it just a carry over from the notion that government should be responsible for your personal welfare?
My recollection of situations where my aging relatives needed care in home or otherwise, they if they could, and the family made arrangements.

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[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This is hog wash! Myself and many of my neighbors walk anywhere SAFELY. WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION?

She is a WOMAN for crying out loud! A man can walk around ANYWHERE at night safely here in TV Land Bubble without worrying about their SAFETY. A WOMAN can NOT! Big difference! Maybe a group of women could or one that knew KARATE and was packing HEAT.
........Many people have said that there are many ADULT (and weird-looking) grandkids of Villages residents that live here. This place has CHANGED rapidly for the WORSE since the PANDEMIC hit. Society has changed toward the MORE violent. The last 3 years have had increasing MURDERS nationwide. Just watch the stories on Orlando news about the FREQUENT robberies and MURDERS. No woman in her right mind would walk the streets of The Villages at night with all the characters and drunks coming home from the squares.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Fredster

Where does the notion that a real estate developer should take care of you in your twilight years come from?
Is it just a carry over from the notion that government should be responsible for your personal welfare?
My recollection of situations where my aging relatives needed care in home or otherwise, they if they could, and the family made arrangements.

Where does it come from? From Mr Schwartz himself. He was not “a developer” but a person. He started an amazing community and I know it’s hard to imagine but he actually cared for people, and in his honor I will leave it there.

I think maybe self-driving cars will be of help to the elderly. Hopefully those cars will manage the roundabouts!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How could MASS TRANSPORTATION be TOO expensive when the users of the service WILL PAY for the service? NY subways and San Fransisco trolley cars are paid for by the fees collected. Plus the service would make a profit. Has anyone REALLY studied the issue? I am NOT saying that a bus line needs to run every 15 minutes. Twice a day might work for many people. They could take a sandwich and read a book while at the Doctor's waiting room. Businesses like Publix and Target might be willing to kick in some startup money because their sales might go up 10 %.
.........I doubt very much that a mass transit system has ever been researched and proposed here. It is easiest to just ASSUME that something like that won't work because so many retirees have Golf Carts. But a blind person or a special needs person can't drive a Golf Cart. And many older people go blind from macular degeneration. And many people would take a bus IF that WERE an option here. Car insurance is going up and gas prices are going up.

Wrong again...

"How much is the NYC subway subsidized?

The largest share of MTA revenue — $7.222 billion — comes from dedicated taxes and subsidies the Authority receives from the cities and states that we serve. Another $6.870 billion comes from fares and tolls."

BART in San Francisco?

"Is BART funded by government?

The operating budget funds the annual operation and maintenance of the BART system. Operating budget sources include passenger and parking revenue, taxes, and financial assistance from local, state and federal sources."

And the Cable Cars?

SFMTA Says They Need $625 Million to Fix the Cable Cars

Let's look at the DC Metro System...

"How does Metro get money?

About 1/3 of Metro Transit's operating budget is covered by fares and advertising revenue, the remainder comes from regional, state, federal, county and other sources (see Metro Transit's annual Fact Book for additional detail)."

How about SEPTA in Philly"

"Is SEPTA subsidized?

To make up for the $989,200,000 gap in operating expenses for FY2021, SEPTA receives 65% of its FY2021 income from federal, state, and local government subsidies."

And Amtrak?

"Does Amtrak receive government subsidies?

In conjunction with operating revenues and funds from states, local governments, and other entities, Amtrak uses federal funds for a wide range of its operating and capital activities, including a portion of its operating expenses, capital maintenance of fleet and infrastructure, capital expansion and investment ..."

Shall I continue?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Where does it come from? From Mr Schwartz himself. He was not “a developer” but a person. He started an amazing community and I know it’s hard to imagine but he actually cared for people, and in his honor I will leave it there.

I think maybe self-driving cars will be of help to the elderly. Hopefully those cars will manage the roundabouts!

Then why didn't he plan for public transportation for those who could no longer drive? (Not really directed at you...)

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Wrong again...

"How much is the NYC subway subsidized?

The largest share of MTA revenue — $7.222 billion — comes from dedicated taxes and subsidies the Authority receives from the cities and states that we serve. Another $6.870 billion comes from fares and tolls."

BART in San Francisco?

"Is BART funded by government?

The operating budget funds the annual operation and maintenance of the BART system. Operating budget sources include passenger and parking revenue, taxes, and financial assistance from local, state and federal sources."

And the Cable Cars?

SFMTA Says They Need $625 Million to Fix the Cable Cars

Let's look at the DC Metro System...

"How does Metro get money?

About 1/3 of Metro Transit's operating budget is covered by fares and advertising revenue, the remainder comes from regional, state, federal, county and other sources (see Metro Transit's annual Fact Book for additional detail)."

How about SEPTA in Philly"

"Is SEPTA subsidized?

To make up for the $989,200,000 gap in operating expenses for FY2021, SEPTA receives 65% of its FY2021 income from federal, state, and local government subsidies."

And Amtrak?

"Does Amtrak receive government subsidies?

In conjunction with operating revenues and funds from states, local governments, and other entities, Amtrak uses federal funds for a wide range of its operating and capital activities, including a portion of its operating expenses, capital maintenance of fleet and infrastructure, capital expansion and investment ..."

Shall I continue?

There you go with fact’s again……

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then why didn't he plan for public transportation for those who could no longer drive? (Not really directed at you...)

The Developer built a multi BILLION dollar industry. People really think they didn’t consider some sort of public transportation? I would bet 90% of the residents prefer their car or golf cart vs a bus or trolley.

If it’s such a great idea, someone would have done it - after all, the roads are public, the Developer can’t stop them.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

The flowers are paid for through 4 basic avenues:
1. around the amenities - postal stations, gate houses, pools, rec centers - from the Amenity Funds (SLAD & RAD)
2. in common areas like the traffic circles on Morse & BV, and other major thoroughfares - this comes out of the PWF south of 466, north of 466 from the CDD1-4 individual budgets.
3. areas such as cul de sac, villa entries, and other minor areas in the individual CDD - directly from the CDD budget
4. town square areas - these are paid for by the maintenance assessments on the buildings (the occupying tenant businesses), these assessments are 10 to 12 times higher per square foot of floor space than is paid by the residents in the CDDs

Item 1 - you pay for from your monthly amenity fees.
Items 2 & 3 - you pay for from the residential maintenance assessments included in your annual property tax bill.
Item 4 - you pay for out of the costs for every dinner, drink, dress, and bobble you purchase when you do business in the town squares.

Sounds like item 4 is the developer to me. Exactly at which point in the food chain does the developer get to declare it was THEIR money ? Under your philosophy I must own a part of Amazon.

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[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Wrong again...

"How much is the NYC subway subsidized?

The largest share of MTA revenue — $7.222 billion — comes from dedicated taxes and subsidies the Authority receives from the cities and states that we serve. Another $6.870 billion comes from fares and tolls."

BART in San Francisco?

"Is BART funded by government?

The operating budget funds the annual operation and maintenance of the BART system. Operating budget sources include passenger and parking revenue, taxes, and financial assistance from local, state and federal sources."

And the Cable Cars?

SFMTA Says They Need $625 Million to Fix the Cable Cars

Let's look at the DC Metro System...

"How does Metro get money?

About 1/3 of Metro Transit's operating budget is covered by fares and advertising revenue, the remainder comes from regional, state, federal, county and other sources (see Metro Transit's annual Fact Book for additional detail)."

How about SEPTA in Philly"

"Is SEPTA subsidized?

To make up for the $989,200,000 gap in operating expenses for FY2021, SEPTA receives 65% of its FY2021 income from federal, state, and local government subsidies."

And Amtrak?

"Does Amtrak receive government subsidies?

In conjunction with operating revenues and funds from states, local governments, and other entities, Amtrak uses federal funds for a wide range of its operating and capital activities, including a portion of its operating expenses, capital maintenance of fleet and infrastructure, capital expansion and investment ..."

Shall I continue?

There you go again, confusing people with the facts.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

There you go with fact’s again……

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

There you go again, confusing people with the facts.

Not to worry... The same (incorrect) argument will pop up in the near future, and again and again and again...

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

She is a WOMAN for crying out loud! A man can walk around ANYWHERE at night safely here in TV Land Bubble without worrying about their SAFETY. A WOMAN can NOT! Big difference! Maybe a group of women could or one that knew KARATE and was packing HEAT.
........Many people have said that there are many ADULT (and weird-looking) grandkids of Villages residents that live here. This place has CHANGED rapidly for the WORSE since the PANDEMIC hit. Society has changed toward the MORE violent. The last 3 years have had increasing MURDERS nationwide. Just watch the stories on Orlando news about the FREQUENT robberies and MURDERS. No woman in her right mind would walk the streets of The Villages at night with all the characters and drunks coming home from the squares.

There you go again expanding the post I was referring to. Now a single woman at night.
Always changing the topic to fit your narrative………..

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

There you go again expanding the post I was referring to. Now a single woman at night.
Always changing the topic to fit your narrative………..

Sorry when people disagree with me, but isn't that to be expected? I have a point of view and others have another. That's what Democracy and America are all about. Not everyone in America agreed with the course that Abraham Lincoln took. Not that I am in his league. I am in the Peanut league comparatively.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Sorry when people disagree with me, but isn't that to be expected? I have a point of view and others have another. That's what Democracy and America are all about. Not everyone in America agreed with the course that Abraham Lincoln took. Not that I am in his league. I am in the Peanut league comparatively.

On every topic.......................

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

On every topic.......................

True that. I agree completely.