[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Really? We were initially told that the Moderna vaccine would PREVENT INFECTION 90% of the time and the Pfizer, just slightly less. The J&J had a lower PREVENTION rate...

You want me to show you the receipts?

Yes, I do remember those efficacy percentages with the Moderna vaccine always higher than other vaccines. Those who did contract the virus were protected from hospitalization and death. As it turns out, those with compromised immune systems don't have the protection as those with normal functioning immune systems, unfortunately. These vaccines have performed as promised.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I had Covid, way back in early 2020, a year before the vaccines came out. Mild fever (never over 99.7°), mild body aches and chills and a slight cough for 36 hrs...

After my first (Moderna) vaccine, I thought I was gonna' die. 101° fever, intense body aches, chills and fatigue, a red swollen arm that I was unable to use for several days. I was wiped out for 4-5 days...

It was so bad, I seriously considered skipping my 2nd dose (as it was supposed to be worse than the first one). Luckily, it was much better, with minimal symptoms.

Since the "booster" was the very same shot as the first two, yeah, one could get a "scary" reaction, despite your mocking dismissal...

You are one of the lucky ones who had a very good immune response to the vaccine. I had a 101.6 fever with my first shot of Moderna and the normal symptoms of a fever such as body aches, fatigue, a very hightened sensitivity to touch (I HATE that symptom) and also had a very red and swollen arm reaction at the injection site. I was so relieved to know my immune system was still kicking ass. I welcomed those symptoms. By the next morning I was good to go, feeling perfectly normal. I welcomed my second shot but did not have any systemic reaction; just the red and swollen arm at the injection site. I had no reaction at all from the half dose booster.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

mRNA vaccines don't sterilize the virus; the vaccine neutralizes the virus. The mRNA vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity and they were not designed to do that. I don't know where you got the impression the mRNA vaccines were developed to prevent one from contracting the virus. We were told that these vaccines would prevent hospitalization and death if someone contracts the virus. That is exactly what these vaccines have delivered to those who have normal functioning immune systems.

Where I got the impression?

Possibly from the people who actually told us that!

Here's a list of "receipts"...

'Real world' study shows Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90% effective

Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Frontline Workers Before and During B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Eight U.S. Locations, December 2020–August 2021 | MMWR

Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Are 90% Effective in Real World

Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccines Are Very Effective, Report Says - The New York Times

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 90% effective in preventing COVID, US finds | The Times of Israel

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...eal-world.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/29/cdc-...effective.html

Notice how all of these articles use the verbiage "PREVENTING INFECTION"?

Yeah, I have no idea why anyone would think the vaccines would "prevent" Covid...

Tis a mystery...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Where I got the impression?

Possibly from the people who actually told us that!

Here's a list of "receipts"...

'Real world' study shows Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90% effective

Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Frontline Workers Before and During B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Eight U.S. Locations, December 2020–August 2021 | MMWR

Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Are 90% Effective in Real World

Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccines Are Very Effective, Report Says - The New York Times

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 90% effective in preventing COVID, US finds | The Times of Israel

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...eal-world.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/29/cdc-...effective.html

Notice how all of these articles use the verbiage "PREVENTING INFECTION"?

Yeah, I have no idea why anyone would think the vaccines would "prevent" Covid...

Tis a mystery...

I understand where you are coming from, but, 90% is not 100% effective. I took this information and figured if I was one of the unlucky 10% who does contract Covid, I would still be protected from hospitalization and death.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I understand where you are coming from, but, 90% is not 100% effective. I took this information and figured if I was one of the unlucky 10% who does contract Covid, I would still be protected from hospitalization and death.

THAT'S what you got from my post??? I give up...

[mlmarr]

Originally Posted by patfla06

I went to Starbucks Trailwinds today.
Lobby was closed. New drive thru hours are until 3 pm and
closed on Thursday. I asked and it’s due to staffing shortages.
Oh and the prices went up again.

How are people NOT working??

research the company .. looks like many overpriced coffee shoppes are closing across this country/ could be cutting hours to open during high traffic times, save a little money ...

some people don't work because they are supported by .... xyz this is happening in all industry not just starbucks look around. Worker bees are over worked and tired ..

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

I think employees need to pay for testing too.

Yep , well THAT IS WHY THEY DO NOT HAVE STAFF. There are thousands of jobs available elsewhere

[tsmall22204]

You do you. But when the hospital puts a ventilator tube down your throat, don't look for sympathy and don't ask for the vaccine, it is to late. Living a healthy lifestyle involves preventive medicine.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

You do you. But when the hospital puts a ventilator tube down your throat, don't look for sympathy and don't ask for the vaccine, it is to late. Living a healthy lifestyle involves preventive medicine.

It would help if anyone had a clue as to whom your reply was directed...

[RobbyHarris]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

THAT'S what you got from my post??? I give up...

i too read your post and while it was informative you should look and see that all the links you post were reports related to a march 2021 - about 10 months ago - report from the cdc on the vaccine statistics for the previous 3 or 4 months which goes back to when the vaccines were first largely deployed to the majority of usa in early 2021 after the trials.

why is this important? because that was before delta and omicron came on the scene. at that time, and during original trials according to the cdc statistics they were indeed 90-95 percent preventing infection but once those 2 variants came around, delta sometime in june or july of 2021, the vaccines became less effective for prevention of covid infection but were found to still prevent most severe cases, hospitalization and death.

i dare say you will find no legitimate science and statistic based reporting after those variants had become the primary means of infection stating vaccines are still 90-95 percent effective from catching the virus at all as that is when most breakthrough started to show up. yes there were some before, thus 90-95 percent, not 100 percent. the vaccines were designed to fight what was available when they started making them which was way back in 2020 way before delta and omicron were ever around.

so yes you are correct in saying everyone - basically the cdc reports which were then simply referred to and reprinted in all the articles you posted - said the vaccines were 90-95 percent effective in preventing infection but sadly as time marched on and new variants came on the scene that was and is no longer the case but it was back in march of 2021. things change very rapidly.

please excuse my typing because my caps key is not properly functioning. i could use the lock and type in all caps but that would not be polite.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by RobbyHarris

i too read your post and while it was informative you should look and see that all the links you post were reports related to a march 2021 - about 10 months ago - report from the cdc on the vaccine statistics for the previous 3 or 4 months which goes back to when the vaccines were first largely deployed to the majority of usa in early 2021 after the trials.

why is this important? because that was before delta and omicron came on the scene. at that time, and during original trials according to the cdc statistics they were indeed 90-95 percent preventing infection but once those 2 variants came around, delta sometime in june or july of 2021, the vaccines became less effective for prevention of covid infection but were found to still prevent most severe cases, hospitalization and death.

i dare say you will find no legitimate science and statistic based reporting after those variants had become the primary means of infection stating vaccines are still 90-95 percent effective from catching the virus at all as that is when most breakthrough started to show up. yes there were some before, thus 90-95 percent, not 100 percent. the vaccines were designed to fight what was available when they started making them which was way back in 2020 way before delta and omicron were ever around.

so yes you are correct in saying everyone - basically the cdc reports which were then simply referred to and reprinted in all the articles you posted - said the vaccines were 90-95 percent effective in preventing infection but sadly as time marched on and new variants came on the scene that was and is no longer the case but it was back in march of 2021. things change very rapidly.

please excuse my typing because my caps key is not properly functioning. i could use the lock and type in all caps but that would not be polite.

Which is EXACTLY what I've been saying! That we were INITIALLY told that the vaccine would PREVENT Covid infections!

I was refuting the FALSE statement that they ALWAYS said that that the vaccine was developed to lessen the severity of infections and that we were NEVER told it would prevent infections... That is simply not true...

[ex34449]

I'm 64. I got Covid 6 or 8 months ago with no masks unless mandated and no shots. It was the flu that just lasted a little longer. Wife also got Covid around the same time. No visits to the clinic other than to get swabbed, no drugs other than Ibuprofen. We both doubled up on the vitamins, drank only water with Pedialyte, I tripled my intake of protein drinks. No ventilator, no coffin etc.
Wife has no underlying issues, I have 2 autoimmune diseases. Sarcoidosis and Sjogrens. Both of us are fit. When we sit at the table we can still see our belt buckles. We don't do gyms but we are both active and considered quite healhty by our doc's.
Nearly everyone I know has had their shots including the booster. My son and his fiancé live in Denver. They got all the jabs, wear the masks, social distance etc etc. Guess who left the new years party sick as hell. It wasn't us. (and from the sound of it, they feel worse than I did)
Couldn't tell you which media is right or wrong as I haven't watched the boob tube in over 6 years. Last time I went to Starsucks was 3 or 4 years ago I'd guess. I got a coffee that tasted like hell... payed way too much for it. Never again thank you.
I understand this thing has put a lot of people in the dirt. I would like to know the health status of the dead prior to them expiring due to Covid. I mean if your supposed to weigh 175 but weigh 275 plus, have heart issues, diabetes etc because you're overly wide. Is it Covid that killed them or their own ignorance of their own health? Sorry for the most likely many typos. I'm on the phone typing this.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by patfla06

I went to Starbucks Trailwinds today.
Lobby was closed. New drive thru hours are until 3 pm and
closed on Thursday. I asked and it’s due to staffing shortages.
Oh and the prices went up again.

How are people NOT working??

There is a quick solution to this. Go into the bathroom, drop a ten dollar bill into the toilet and flush! It saves so many steps and achieves the same result.

[cj1040]

Originally Posted by donassaid

You mean for those who don't follow the fake science? Look it up. The number of deaths worldwide has remained at a constant .76% for the past 3 years. So much for a worldwide Pandemic. Or haven't you noticed that the vast majority of those getting Covid today are those who took the jab - NFL, NBA, NHL, cruise ship crew and passengers. Wake up and smell tge coffee!

You are so wrong and misinformed.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Which is EXACTLY what I've been saying! That we were INITIALLY told that the vaccine would PREVENT Covid infections!

I was refuting the FALSE statement that they ALWAYS said that that the vaccine was developed to lessen the severity of infections and that we were NEVER told it would prevent infections... That is simply not true...

You are correct. I called up my lapsing memory and this is what I recall........

The Moderna mRNA vaccine is 95% effective in preventing Covid. If you are one of the unlucky 5% of people to contract Covid, you are still have protection from hospitalization and death. This efficacy statement was referring to the original strain of Covid.