[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You are correct. I called up my lapsing memory and this is what I recall........

The Moderna mRNA vaccine is 95% effective in preventing Covid. If you are one of the unlucky 5% of people to contract Covid, you are still have protection from hospitalization and death. This efficacy statement was referring to the original strain of Covid.

Thank you...

I can't seem to remember why I went into the kitchen, but I'll remember every single word to some obscure classic rock song that came out when I was 15... Same thing with movie quotes. Drives the Boss crazy!

I have a knack to remember facts when I read things... The Boss says I have a "photogenic" memory... Yes, she said "photogenic"...

I did "mansplain" that she really didn't mean that and she quickly corrected herself to "photographic", which, according to Sheldon, is really an "eidentic" memory...

All I know is I remember obscure sh!t... Don't care what it's called...

And yes, I know... I can sometimes come across as a "know it all", but it's because I AM sure of my facts when debating. And when I occasionally screw up, I WILL admit it...

Anyway, thanks again. Have a good weekend!

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You are correct. I called up my lapsing memory and this is what I recall........

The Moderna mRNA vaccine is 95% effective in preventing Covid. If you are one of the unlucky 5% of people to contract Covid, you are still have protection from hospitalization and death. This efficacy statement was referring to the original strain of Covid.

True! My daughter, son-in-law, graddaughter and grandson in NJ all made the lucky 5%. All of them have had 2 shots plus boost and all 4 are just getting over omicron. 3 of them got it easy but my S-I-L (52) was comparatively bad and he is in super top atheltic type of shape. Talk about luck. They have a Disney trip scheduled for this weekend. Hopefully they will be OK by Sunday when they leave. They are on day 5 tomorrow. We're supposed to meet them there Monday.

[EdFNJ]

I guess this explains it. My daughter and family lives in Nj just east of Philly and this data is a couple weeks old. 3300 out of 11,201 REPORTED cases were "fully vaccinated" which I assume means at least 2 shots. That more than 25% of all cases were 'breakthrough."

The December case information, made public by the Philadelphia Department of Public Health Tuesday, shows a surge in cases this month that’s likely to be among the worst of the year. The city tallied 11,201 COVID-19 cases as of Tuesday, the most in a single month since April, with still more than a week remaining in 2021. Of those, 3,300 were among fully vaccinated people. The data offer a first glimpse of case rates while the omicron variant is present in the city, but leave unanswered a slew of important questions

Original article: Philly breakthrough COVID cases rising as omicron spreads

[Nanettek3]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

Staff shortages are often because positive covid cases. Dont blame the business when the real culprit are those who choose not to get vaccinated and infect everyone else.

I currently know 32 people in December and January who had/have the new covid variant and they have ALL had the vaccine plus booster. They quarantined so not to pass it to family, friends and others. So apparently anyone can get the virus and infect others, vaccinated or not.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Nanettek3

I currently know 32 people in December and January who had/have the new covid variant and they have ALL had the vaccine plus booster. They quarantined so not to pass it to family, friends and others. So apparently anyone can get the virus and infect others, vaccinated or not.

Correct. But it's soooo much easier to blame "the real culprit", whomever they are...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Thank you...

I can't seem to remember why I went into the kitchen, but I'll remember every single word to some obscure classic rock song that came out when I was 15... Same thing with movie quotes. Drives the Boss crazy!

I have a knack to remember facts when I read things... The Boss says I have a "photogenic" memory... Yes, she said "photogenic"...

I did "mansplain" that she really didn't mean that and she quickly corrected herself to "photographic", which, according to Sheldon, is really an "eidentic" memory...

All I know is I remember obscure sh!t... Don't care what it's called...

And yes, I know... I can sometimes come across as a "know it all", but it's because I AM sure of my facts when debating. And when I occasionally screw up, I WILL admit it...

Anyway, thanks again. Have a good weekend!

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You are correct. I called up my lapsing memory and this is what I recall........

The Moderna mRNA vaccine is 95% effective in preventing Covid. If you are one of the unlucky 5% of people to contract Covid, you are still have protection from hospitalization and death. This efficacy statement was referring to the original strain of Covid.

Actually, that’s not true….from the Wall Street journal, Monday….

‘…. af*ter 30 days the Mod*erna and Pfizer vac*cines no longer had any sta*tis*ti*cally sig*nif*i*cant pos*i*tive ef*fect against Omi*cron in*fec*tion, and af*ter 90 days, their ef*fect went neg*a*tive—i.e., vac*ci*nated peo*ple were more sus*cep*ti*ble to Omi*cron in*fec*tion. Con*firm*ing this neg*a*tive ef*fi*cacy find*ing, data from Den*mark and the Cana*dian prov*ince of On*tario in*di*cate that vac*ci*nated peo*ple have higher rates of Omi*cron in*fec*tion than un*vac*ci*nated peo*ple.‘

[Dana1963]

Your * make it difficult to fact check was that the intent?

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Your * make it difficult to fact check was that the intent?

Sorry,
Omicron Makes Biden’s Vaccine Mandates Obsolete - WSJ

When you copy from the article, the WSJ inserts the *

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Sorry,
Omicron Makes Biden’s Vaccine Mandates Obsolete - WSJ

When you copy from the article, the WSJ inserts the *

Federal courts considering the Biden administration’s vaccination mandates—including the Supreme Court at Friday’s oral argument—have focused on administrative-law issues. The decrees raise constitutional issues as well. But there’s a simpler reason the justices should stay these mandates: the rise of the Omicron variant.
No it doesn't

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Sorry,
Omicron Makes Biden’s Vaccine Mandates Obsolete - WSJ

When you copy from the article, the WSJ inserts the *

Federal courts considering the Biden administration’s vaccination mandates—including the Supreme Court at Friday’s oral argument—have focused on administrative-law issues. The decrees raise constitutional issues as well. But there’s a simpler reason the justices should stay these mandates: the rise of the Omicron variant.

It would be irrational, legally indefensible and contrary to the public interest for government to mandate vaccines absent any evidence that the vaccines are effective in stopping the spread of the pathogen they target. Yet that’s exactly what’s happening here.

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Both mandates—from the Health and Human Services Department for healthcare workers and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration for large employers in many other industries—were issued Nov. 5. At that time, the Delta variant represented almost all U.S. Covid-19 cases, and both agencies appropriately considered Delta at length and in detail, finding that the vaccines remained effective against it.

Those findings are now obsolete. As of Jan. 1, Omicron represented more than 95% of U.S. Covid cases, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Because some of Omicron’s 50 mutations are known to evade antibody protection, because more than 30 of those mutations are to the spike protein used as an immunogen by the existing vaccines, and because there have been mass Omicron outbreaks in heavily vaccinated populations, scientists are highly uncertain the existing vaccines can stop it from spreading. As the CDC put it on Dec. 20, “we don’t yet know . . . how well available vaccines and medications work against it.”

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