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Originally Posted by merrymini

Vaccinations do not protect you from getting covid.

Absolutely correct. Give this person a cigar.

The vaccines protect you from dying (if you have a normal immune system).

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Originally Posted by B-flat

There's a bigger agenda here with this vaccine all one need do is read between the lines. You may want to read RFK Jrs. book on Fauci, Gates and Big Pharma. Holy mackerel it's an eye opener! Read about "Mass Formation Psychosis"too. To search for it you may not want to use Google instead use "DuckDuckGo"

No need to read any of that stuff. Just look at the numbers of people who are hospitalized with Covid. Most are UN-vaccinated. That is all everyone needs to know and realize that being vaccinated protects you from hospitalization and dying if you have a normal immune system.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

I don't patronize Starbucks because of their CEO's open border views

I do not agree with the CEO's open border views but I sure do love me some Starbucks!

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

Interesting that the failure of the vaccines is being blamed on the unvaccinated. 🤔

What makes you think the vaccines are a failure? Holy cow. The vaccine is designed to keep people from hospitalization and death for people with healthy immune systems. It is doing that in spades. Have you seen the numbers of people who are hospitalized and are UN-vaccinated? Those are the people who are glutting our health care facilities, NOT the vaccinated.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then why were we initially told that if you got vaccinated you were safe from GETTING covid?

Wasn't that what it was designed to do?

And btw, I've not only had covid (2 years ago), but I've had both my vax shots, plus a booster...

That is not what we were told at all. I distinctly remember finally being fully vaccinated and was totally relieved that I would not wind up in the hospital if I contracted Covid. I don't recall ever being informed that these mRNA vaccines would prevent transmission of Covid. Sterilizing vaccines prevent transmission of diseases and these mRNA vaccines are not that type of vaccine. I've know this all along. I guess it depends on your news sources.

What is sterilizing immunity and do we need it for the coronavirus? | TheHill

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Since you asked ...

The vast majority of the sheeple are tone deaf to real scientific facts ... preferring statements from talking heads such as "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ... when we all now KNOW the vaccinated are acquiring the virus and spreading it to others whether they have symptoms or not. Just look at the fully vaccinated cruise ships being shut down. But, they love the division ... standing on their "holier than thou" towers and ****ing on those of us who choose to protect our health from the dangers of these mRNA shots. If the vaccines do anything to prevent acquisition or spread of the virus, why do the vaccinated (3 & 4 shots now) still have to wear a mask? The answer, of course, is that the vax'd can and DO spread the virus just as readily as the unvaxxed. It's not the sole domain of the unvaxxed. If you're vax'd, they say you have a better chance of not getting sick / hospitalized / dying and that appears to be true. But, getting vax'd does not stop any spreading.

Sure, an unvaccinated individual might be more likely to get sick / hospitalized. But, as a free American citizen, it is not my duty to take a treatment (shot) for something just because the hospitals are overflowing. Since it has been shown that the unvaccinated are NOT a threat to the vaccinated, staying unvaccinated is a simple personal medical decision.

The government liars and the media liars have been very successful in promoting the lie that the unvaccinated are the reason we still have covid. But, repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true. Last year, I read so many of you here anticipating that you will be *free* of masks and able to fully engage in life with no concerns at all and just salivating over the prospects of the unvaxxed not being able to eat out or take a cruise or many other things. How's that working out for you?

I laugh at the cities that have vax mandates in order to do just about anything. Why? Because in their ignorance, they limit attendance to only vaxxed people who will then spread covid only amongst themselves. It's like people shooting in a circle. In reality, they're keeping me out and safe - LOL

So, yes, that Starbucks latte made by a fully vaccinated individual who is infected but asymptomatic and wearing a mask may still come with a side of covid. Caution: contents may be HOT.

[patfla06]

I treat myself at Starbucks once in a while to a Trenta Shaken iced green tea.
The one I make at home isn’t as good but they’re now charging $4.23 so
I’m out. Plus most of their cold drinks are half ice.

I do not like Starbucks politics at all.

I still don’t know how people are not working.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Trishakaye

Are you paying attention? Vaccinated folks still pass it on!!! You can’t outrun it forever unless you move to a private island

I don't plan to outrun it. I'm fully vaccinated and boosted and my immune system is a good one. I will probably be either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms if I contract Covid, especially with the Omicron variant. Nothing to worry about.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Trishakaye

I’m vaxed, had horrible, scary reaction to the booster. I support your decision

If you will, what was your "scary" reaction to the booster?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

This is just my opinion and it's worth what you paid for it, lol. It appears to me that the latest variant is quite a bit less lethal. Tracking new cases is becoming like tracking new cases of the common cold.

Actually, data is revealing that Omicron is much less lethal but so much more transmissible. So, given that many many more people are contracting Covid, the amount of hospitalizations are fairly constant than what we had with the Delta surge. Seems we can't win for losing.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean

What makes you think the vaccines are a failure? Holy cow. The vaccine is designed to keep people from hospitalization and death for people with healthy immune systems. It is doing that in spades. Have you seen the numbers of people who are hospitalized and are UN-vaccinated? Those are the people who are glutting our health care facilities, NOT the vaccinated.

Except it was designed to PREVENT one from contracting Covid...

That is, unless they were lying about that, as well...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is not what we were told at all. I distinctly remember finally being fully vaccinated and was totally relieved that I would not wind up in the hospital if I contracted Covid. I don't recall ever being informed that these mRNA vaccines would prevent transmission of Covid. Sterilizing vaccines prevent transmission of diseases and these mRNA vaccines are not that type of vaccine. I've know this all along. I guess it depends on your news sources.

What is sterilizing immunity and do we need it for the coronavirus? | TheHill

Really? We were initially told that the Moderna vaccine would PREVENT INFECTION 90% of the time and the Pfizer, just slightly less. The J&J had a lower PREVENTION rate...

You want me to show you the receipts?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

If you will, what was your "scary" reaction to the booster?

I had Covid, way back in early 2020, a year before the vaccines came out. Mild fever (never over 99.7°), mild body aches and chills and a slight cough for 36 hrs...

After my first (Moderna) vaccine, I thought I was gonna' die. 101° fever, intense body aches, chills and fatigue, a red swollen arm that I was unable to use for several days. I was wiped out for 4-5 days...

It was so bad, I seriously considered skipping my 2nd dose (as it was supposed to be worse than the first one). Luckily, it was much better, with minimal symptoms.

Since the "booster" was the very same shot as the first two, yeah, one could get a "scary" reaction, despite your mocking dismissal...

[Lisa22]

That is correct. Turn off CNN. I work in a hospital in the NE. You are being told that all the hospitalizations for Covid are the unvaccinated. No, people are being hospitalized for other reasons (as was usual) but are being COUNTED as Covid cases because
they might also be testing positive. I got Covid on the job in early 2020, got vaccinated in early 2021, live a healthy life and did not take any time off from work in 2021. Guess what? I am asymptomatic and still TESTED POSITIVE.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer

Except it was designed to PREVENT one from contracting Covid...

That is, unless they were lying about that, as well...

mRNA vaccines don't sterilize the virus; the vaccine neutralizes the virus. The mRNA vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity and they were not designed to do that. I don't know where you got the impression the mRNA vaccines were developed to prevent one from contracting the virus. We were told that these vaccines would prevent hospitalization and death if someone contracts the virus. That is exactly what these vaccines have delivered to those who have normal functioning immune systems.