[Lisanp@aol.com]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The “virology” fact is, that if you have had Covid, you are better protected from the variants than you would be if you’ve been vaccinated…

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Lisanp@aol.com

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

Israel Health Ministry

Their Delta wave began in May/June and is now going down.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity

[Madelaine Amee]

Someone posted that I had an air of superiority regarding the wearing of masks, no not superiority just confidence in what science is telling us to do in order to stay safe.

I was one of those Mothers who took their child to the pediatrician and when he said they need a vaccine I did not argue. I had complete confidence that the doctor knew what he was talking about and was concerned for my child's well being.

Let me ask you, the UNVACCINATED - did you allow your child to be vaccinated for:

Diphtheria
Rubella
Measles
mumps
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping Cough

You must have trusted science then, so how is this different?

[ryoungs]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Why do people who choose not to get vaccinated go to the hospital when they get sick?
It’s literally filled with people they don’t trust

Good one Dana 1963. May I please post this on my Facebook page?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Lisanp@aol.com

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Someone posted that I had an air of superiority regarding the wearing of masks, no not superiority just confidence in what science is telling us to do in order to stay safe.

I was one of those Mothers who took their child to the pediatrician and when he said they need a vaccine I did not argue. I had complete confidence that the doctor knew what he was talking about and was concerned for my child's well being.

Let me ask you, the UNVACCINATED - did you allow your child to be vaccinated for:

Diphtheria
Rubella
Measles
mumps
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping Cough

You must have trusted science then, so how is this different?

The difference is, all the vaccines you listed are “traditional” vaccines. None of those are mRNA vaccines. In fact there is no historical use of mRNA vaccines and no long term studies of their potential side effects. It’s a new, unproven technology. Yes they have experimented with it for years - but without success. This is the largest vaccine trial in history.

[jmpate]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.

I've been in the healthcare field most of my adult life and I STAY AWAY from doctors, clinics, hospitals unless it's absolutely necessary. That being said, staying healthy (eating a balanced diet, exercise and good sleep) is the best way, IMHO, to stay out of these places!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Approximately one out of ten died from Covid-9, those who contracted it and who were elderly. Nine lived if they caught it and they were in their eighties like me and my dear husband. I did the math for our Village when those figures came out a year ago March, when I first learned two friends, Sisters, Villagers had both gotten sick in March. One was hospitalized and on a ventilator and the other was very sick and was taken once to the hospital to be given fluids and then brought home.

Any way....I know there are 54 homes in our small village, and I sadly thought back then at the beginning, that two people would die, and I wondered who it would be? Some have two people living in a home and some have one and we have three.

Now a year later, I know that one did catch it and he passed away, another neighbor caught it a couple of weeks ago after getting both vaccinations and he recovered.

Of my close old friends in Ohio, three have died from Covid. One couple happily married to each other died within a week of each other before the vaccine became available.

I appreciate the kind wishes that began this thread to be safe. It has been a very scary and sad year for some.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by John41

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from South America both legal and illegal keep bringing in new Covid variants. Even the Washington Post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like Texas and Florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of Americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

omg!

While "OMG" is appropriate, it's not really all that surprising, given that there has always been (and will probably always be) a certain demographic, that immediately point to the brown (and black) people - for everything bad that happens. The ultimate irony being, that a lot of those leading the charge in pointing fingers for the sheeple - are also the same ones making a lot of money off of the reduced wages paid.

[jbartle1]

Originally Posted by Dotneko

I wear masks at the airport and on the plane because I have to and that is it. I have been flying all over the country for work for several months. I have also been to the doctors and the dentists here and neither required a mask.
I am certainly not living my life in fear or restricting my movements. We all live on borrowed time. I am not staying home waiting to die. If covid gets me, so be it, but I dont want to regret not going to the beach.

Concerned about grand-children and others, hmmmm!

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The difference is, all the vaccines you listed are “traditional” vaccines. None of those are mRNA vaccines. In fact there is no historical use of mRNA vaccines and no long term studies of their potential side effects. It’s a new, unproven technology. Yes they have experimented with it for years - but without success. This is the largest vaccine trial in history.

I agree with you, but you have to START somewhere. I have seen movies and pictures of Polio and the dreadful life those patients lived until the Polio vaccine was discovered, someone had to be the first!

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Like the desk sergeant used to forewarn his cops going out on their shift on the old, popular TV series, “Hill Street Blues” ….”Stay safe out there.”

Maybe stay well might be more apropos here in The Villages, particularly if you get sick and need hospitalization. We haven’t heard sirens or helicopters arriving at The Villages Regional Hospital for almost two weeks now. A close friend came back from a doctor’s appointment yesterday with the report that both hospitals in Tavares are closed to any new patients.

Tavares is the Lake County seat and the hospitals there are the next closest to The Villages. Other than the information that none of the hospitals anywhere near The Villages are doing elective surgeries and procedures, no reports on whether they’re even accepting new patients. And of course there’s not even a mention of COVID topics in The Villages Daily Sun. If anyone has current information in whether any of the hospitals in Ocala or other nearby hospitals are open to ER or other new patients, feel free to let us know.

But I guess it bears repeating… Stay well out there! It looks like we’re all pretty much on our own for awhile.

Thank you for the update, I was wondering how all my fellow Villagers were doing, just bc allot of us head north for the summer doesn't mean we aren't concerned about you guys...especially when you keep making the news.
So, seriously, how are the village people handling this delta crap? Is it back to last March habits, is everyone masking, staying home? Are things closing?
Trust me, we are all thinking about you, and yes, please stay safe.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Approximately one out of ten died from Covid-9, those who contracted it and who were elderly. Nine lived if they caught it and they were in their eighties like me and my dear husband. I did the math for our Village when those figures came out a year ago March, when I first learned two friends, Sisters, Villagers had both gotten sick in March. One was hospitalized and on a ventilator and the other was very sick and was taken once to the hospital to be given fluids and then brought home.

Any way....I know there are 54 homes in our small village, and I sadly thought back then at the beginning, that two people would die, and I wondered who it would be? Some have two people living in a home and some have one and we have three.

Now a year later, I know that one did catch it and he passed away, another neighbor caught it a couple of weeks ago after getting both vaccinations and he recovered.

Of my close old friends in Ohio, three have died from Covid. One couple happily married to each other died within a week of each other before the vaccine became available.

I appreciate the kind wishes that began this thread to be safe. It has been a very scary and sad year for some.

I have repeatedly said that if I were in the high risk group, I would opt to be vaccinated. The reward would outweigh the risk. However, given the lack of any historical data on the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, and based on my age and health, I choose not to be vaccinated. And I find the idea of vaccinating children 0-12, who are in no real danger from the virus, to be utterly disgusting, given that no one knows what the long term effects will be.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by John41

The hospitals are closed to elective inpatient and non time critical surgeries. In about a month this surge will fall off quickly. The problem is immigrants from South America both legal and illegal keep bringing in new Covid variants. Even the Washington Post has called the border policies a disaster. Many illegals want to stay in southern states like Texas and Florida so they are given $1000 and a one way bus ticket. Then they undercut the wages of Americans with low wage jobs or go on welfare.

????, I have heard nothing of this...your source...

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tvbound

While "OMG" is appropriate, it's not really all that surprising, given that there has always been (and will probably always be) a certain demographic, that immediately point to the brown (and black) people - for everything bad that happens. The ultimate irony being, that a lot of those leading the charge in pointing fingers for the sheeple - are also the same ones making a lot of money off of the reduced wages paid.

It is very hard sometimes not to jump to conclusions when we watch the news and read the statistics. I am annoyed that summary judgments are made, they are often unfair, but people often must make quick and snap judgments that are unfair to protect themselves. I have grown tired of the glassed over look that many young people have for old people. I think it unfair to be dismissed and judged as part of a group, but many my age are loosing some of their abilities to perceive.

Some prejudices do have some basis in truth whether we like it or not. We have to keep a generous spirit, a kind heart and common sense. It seems that morality is slipping everywhere.