[CFrance]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Perhaps not, but then why didn't that poster come right back and clarify the post?

I admit I wondered about that as well.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Since there are vaccines, masking, and distancing protocols, I now consider COVID a Darwinesque cull fed by volunteers.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by fastboat

Okay, you win the drama and horror/thriller award. I've been vaccinated and I've had it, it's not that bad. You're gonna scare people to death.

I’m fully vaccinated. I woke up with a stuffy nose. By lunch time I was feeling like crap so I got tested. I got the positive results the next day and my condition continued to deteriorate. A few days later I was taken by ambulance to the ER. They released me with some meds. A few days later I was back in the ER with a fever of 104. After 36 hours in the ER I was admitted to the hospital where I spent the next 12 days. I was sent home on oxygen and have been doing rehab at home. It’s going to be a long recovery and I might have permanent lung damage. I was told that had I not been vaccinated I would most likely be dead now. So yes, in many cases it’s not that bad. But when it’s bad it’s horrendous.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I’m fully vaccinated. I woke up with a stuffy nose. By lunch time I was feeling like crap so I got tested. I got the positive results the next day and my condition continued to deteriorate. A few days later I was taken by ambulance to the ER. They released me with some meds. A few days later I was back in the ER with a fever of 104. After 36 hours in the ER I was admitted to the hospital where I spent the next 12 days. I was sent home on oxygen and have been doing rehab at home. It’s going to be a long recovery and I might have permanent lung damage. I was told that had I not been vaccinated I would most likely be dead now. So yes, in many cases it’s not that bad. But when it’s bad it’s horrendous.

THAT IS AWFUL. I am so sorry.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

I think you are confused. You don't know how many of the new cases are of fully vaccinated people because the CDC is not posting those numbers. Israel, UK etc are reporting large percentages of new cases among the fully vaccinated. They may not get very sick and die but they are carriers that spread the disease.

The Delta variant developed in India before vaccines were available, so trying to blame that on vaccine hesitant Americans is ludicrous.

Almost 100% of Covid deaths are unvaccinated. As someone who is alive because I am vaccinated I take issue with people who make unsubstantiated claims about the vaccines and government conspiracies.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I’m fully vaccinated. I woke up with a stuffy nose. By lunch time I was feeling like crap so I got tested. I got the positive results the next day and my condition continued to deteriorate. A few days later I was taken by ambulance to the ER. They released me with some meds. A few days later I was back in the ER with a fever of 104. After 36 hours in the ER I was admitted to the hospital where I spent the next 12 days. I was sent home on oxygen and have been doing rehab at home. It’s going to be a long recovery and I might have permanent lung damage. I was told that had I not been vaccinated I would most likely be dead now. So yes, in many cases it’s not that bad. But when it’s bad it’s horrendous.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Almost 100% of Covid deaths are unvaccinated. As someone who is alive because I am vaccinated I take issue with people who make unsubstantiated claims about the vaccines and government conspiracies.

Dear Mr. Boogie, Sir,

Thank you for giving us an update. I am glad to know you are back home. (I do not actually know you — in person — but I have read your posts for years. We did go to one of your Beatles programs several years ago at Miona. It was fun and you sure know your Beatles stuff.

I wish you all the best going forward in your recovery.

Boomer

PS: I am sorry we have to put up with those who keep taking shots at the obvious stats that are clearly showing ICU beds are being filled by the unvaccinated — by a very large percentage.

I don’t know why they think hospitals across the entire country are telling lies. I keep thinking that maybe the Covid deniers are so hellbent on validating their own behaviors with Facebook garbage and other screens — where they allow themselves to be manipulated by master puppeteers —that they are now forever lost in the wilderness. The psychology of their obsession would be fascinating if the rest of us were not caught in it.

This morning on CBS, there was a report from a regional hospital in Medford, Oregon, that is being overrun in their ICU — with unvaccinated Covid patients.

The nurses and doctors interviewed used the phrase “collateral deaths” because they are worried about non-Covid patients dying because they have no room. They have had to postpone more than 100 heart surgeries (from the general population of patients) because they cannot give them the care they will need.

That 100 number surprised me so much that I hit rewind. The number was right. That hospital — alone — has more than 100 non-Covid people needing a valve surgery, or any heart surgery, who are unable to get their surgeries because of the unvaccinated Covid patients hogging beds and exhausting medical staff.

I also cannot comprehend why parents do not make sure their kids are surrounded by vaccinated adults. These people will not even try to protect their own children by getting the vaccine as the adults in the family. Kids have no choice. They are at the mercy of parental decisions. And what if the unvaccinated parent dies of Covid — when they could have stayed around with their children — had they not been under the influence of conspiracy theories and calculated dysinformation.

I appreciate the fact that Delta Airlines is raising insurance premiums by 200 dollars a month for employees that refuse to be vaccinated. (Of course, they might have to make medical exceptions, real ones.) But I hope more private businesses do the same. The rest of us do not need to be paying higher premiums for freeloaders who get Covid — after refusing to be vaccinated. . .The time has come for more employers to play hardball.

(Dr. Boogie, please forgive the rant, here added to my get well wishes for you, but I am on your side. Please get better every day.)

Again, Boomer

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Dear Mr. Boogie, Sir,

Thank you for giving us an update. I am glad to know you are back home. (I do not actually know you — in person — but I have read your posts for years. We did go to one of your Beatles programs several years ago at Miona. It was fun and you sure know your Beatles stuff.

I wish you all the best going forward in your recovery.

Boomer

PS: I am sorry we have to put up with those who keep taking shots at the obvious stats that are clearly showing ICU beds are being filled by the unvaccinated — by a very large percentage.

I don’t know why they think hospitals across the entire country are telling lies. I keep thinking that maybe the Covid deniers are so hellbent on validating their own behaviors with Facebook garbage and other screens — where they allow themselves to be manipulated by master puppeteers —that they are now forever lost in the wilderness. The psychology of their obsession would be fascinating if the rest of us were not caught in it.

This morning on CBS, there was a report from a regional hospital in Medford, Oregon, that is being overrun in their ICU — with unvaccinated Covid patients.

The nurses and doctors interviewed used the phrase “collateral deaths” because they are worried about non-Covid patients dying because they have no room. They have had to postpone more than 100 heart surgeries (from the general population of patients) because they cannot give them the care they will need.

That 100 number surprised me so much that I hit rewind. The number was right. That hospital — alone — has more than 100 non-Covid people needing a valve surgery, or any heart surgery, who are unable to get their surgeries because of the unvaccinated Covid patients hogging beds and exhausting medical staff.

I also cannot comprehend why parents do not make sure their kids are surrounded by vaccinated adults. These people will not even try to protect their own children by getting the vaccine as the adults in the family. Kids have no choice. They are at the mercy of parental decisions. And what if the unvaccinated parent dies of Covid — when they could have stayed around with their children — had they not been under the influence of conspiracy theories and calculated dysinformation.

I appreciate the fact that Delta Airlines is raising insurance premiums by 200 dollars a month for employees that refuse to be vaccinated. (Of course, they might have to make medical exceptions, real ones.) But I hope more private businesses do the same. The rest of us do not need to be paying higher premiums for freeloaders who get Covid — after refusing to be vaccinated. . .The time has come for more employers to play hardball.

(Dr. Boogie, please forgive the rant, here added to my get well wishes for you, but I am on your side. Please get better every day.)

Again, Boomer

I don’t understand why it’s assumed only the unvaccinated can spread covid when Winston was probably a spreader himself, even though he was thoroughly vaccinated. I think people misunderstand the various ways this virus is spread.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Dear Mr. Boogie, Sir,

Thank you for giving us an update. I am glad to know you are back home. (I do not actually know you — in person — but I have read your posts for years. We did go to one of your Beatles programs several years ago at Miona. It was fun and you sure know your Beatles stuff.

I wish you all the best going forward in your recovery.

Boomer

PS: I am sorry we have to put up with those who keep taking shots at the obvious stats that are clearly showing ICU beds are being filled by the unvaccinated — by a very large percentage.

I don’t know why they think hospitals across the entire country are telling lies. I keep thinking that maybe the Covid deniers are so hellbent on validating their own behaviors with Facebook garbage and other screens — where they allow themselves to be manipulated by master puppeteers —that they are now forever lost in the wilderness. The psychology of their obsession would be fascinating if the rest of us were not caught in it.

This morning on CBS, there was a report from a regional hospital in Medford, Oregon, that is being overrun in their ICU — with unvaccinated Covid patients.

The nurses and doctors interviewed used the phrase “collateral deaths” because they are worried about non-Covid patients dying because they have no room. They have had to postpone more than 100 heart surgeries (from the general population of patients) because they cannot give them the care they will need.

That 100 number surprised me so much that I hit rewind. The number was right. That hospital — alone — has more than 100 non-Covid people needing a valve surgery, or any heart surgery, who are unable to get their surgeries because of the unvaccinated Covid patients hogging beds and exhausting medical staff.

I also cannot comprehend why parents do not make sure their kids are surrounded by vaccinated adults. These people will not even try to protect their own children by getting the vaccine as the adults in the family. Kids have no choice. They are at the mercy of parental decisions. And what if the unvaccinated parent dies of Covid — when they could have stayed around with their children — had they not been under the influence of conspiracy theories and calculated dysinformation.

I appreciate the fact that Delta Airlines is raising insurance premiums by 200 dollars a month for employees that refuse to be vaccinated. (Of course, they might have to make medical exceptions, real ones.) But I hope more private businesses do the same. The rest of us do not need to be paying higher premiums for freeloaders who get Covid — after refusing to be vaccinated. . .The time has come for more employers to play hardball.

(Dr. Boogie, please forgive the rant, here added to my get well wishes for you, but I am on your side. Please get better every day.)

Again, Boomer

Originally Posted by Aces4

I don’t understand why it’s assumed only the unvaccinated can spread covid when Winston was probably a spreader himself, even though he was thoroughly vaccinated. I think people misunderstand the various ways this virus is spread.

Aces4,

You are missing the point — possibly on purpose.

What I said was that it is the UNvaccinated Covid patients who are taking over ICUs throughout the country. The stats clearly show that fact.

AND — now there are very real, very serious concerns over “collateral deaths” — revisit my post above about the postponed heart surgeries — and those 100 are postponed by just one hospital. Imagine how many more there are throughout the country.

The Huge and Overwhelming percentage of those who are in hospital beds are the UNvaccinated. That was my point. It is the UNvaccinated who are exhausting the system. Your takeoff was purely extraneous — straight out of the Yeah, But Factory, Inc.

Boomer

(I don’t know if what was posted to me — quoted above — is an attempt at obfuscation in order to self-validate vaccine denial — or if it is just an attempt to pass the time messing with people. . .What I do know though is that I need to not engage further in this back and forth. There would be no point.)

. . .Aw, geez, I do not know why that little blushing emoticon is at the beginning of my post. I guess I bumped something on my iPad. I cannot make it go away here in editing mode. Believe you me, my post is not making me blush.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I also cannot comprehend why parents do not make sure their kids are surrounded by vaccinated adults. These people will not even try to protect their own children by getting the vaccine as the adults in the family. Kids have no choice. They are at the mercy of parental decisions. And what if the unvaccinated parent dies of Covid — when they could have stayed around with their children — had they not been under the influence of conspiracy theories and calculated dysinformation.

Again, Boomer

On purpose? This is your statement indicating parents who don’t keep their children away from the unvaccinated are horrible. My point is those same children can be exposed to covid through a vaccinated adult who can carry this virus. Don’t parents have enough on their plates these days without trying to screen each individual with whom their children may come in contact?

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I’m fully vaccinated. I woke up with a stuffy nose. By lunch time I was feeling like crap so I got tested. I got the positive results the next day and my condition continued to deteriorate. A few days later I was taken by ambulance to the ER. They released me with some meds. A few days later I was back in the ER with a fever of 104. After 36 hours in the ER I was admitted to the hospital where I spent the next 12 days. I was sent home on oxygen and have been doing rehab at home. It’s going to be a long recovery and I might have permanent lung damage. I was told that had I not been vaccinated I would most likely be dead now. So yes, in many cases it’s not that bad. But when it’s bad it’s horrendous.

Glad you are on the mend. This scares that sheet out of me. Just want my booster !! Did you have any "comorbidities" like diabetes, hypertension or something else or were you just "lucky"?? That would be an important data point.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Aces4

On purpose? This is your statement indicating parents who don’t keep their children away from the unvaccinated are horrible. My point is those same children can be exposed to covid through a vaccinated adult who can carry this virus. Don’t parents have enough on their plates these days without trying to screen each individual with whom their children may come in contact?

You are taking my post and picking one part out of context. How conveeeeeenient. . .

On this part though, I can see a clarification could be in order — now that you are looking at just one part. “Surround” was not the clearest word-choice I could have made. Of course, a parent cannot control it all, but you would think they would want to do everything they could to stay well for their children’s sake. I was thinking of the family unit as surrounding.

What I cannot figure out is why so many parents will not get the vaccine themselves. The death of a parent is devastating to a child. A seriously ill parent is not easy on kids either and this one could be prevented for most adults — if they would just take actual medical advice. But they insist on playing the odds. I guess screeching at school board meetings makes them feel important, too.

The fact remains that it is the unvaccinated who are causing the biggest part of this mess we are in as a country. They will not take medical advice, but they will go to a feed store and load up on livestock dewormer to take for Covid. This tribal behavior is like the plot of some surreal, dystopian movie that goes on and on.

(Aaaaaaugh!! I took your bait. Damn. Please put me on your ignore list. Thank you.)

Boomer

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Aces4,

You are missing the point — possibly on purpose.

What I said was that it is the UNvaccinated Covid patients who are taking over ICUs throughout the country. The stats clearly show that fact.

AND — now there are very real, very serious concerns over “collateral deaths” — revisit my post above about the postponed heart surgeries — and those 100 are postponed by just one hospital. Imagine how many more there are throughout the country.

The Huge and Overwhelming percentage of those who are in hospital beds are the UNvaccinated. That was my point. It is the UNvaccinated who are exhausting the system. Your takeoff was purely extraneous — straight out of the Yeah, But Factory, Inc.

Boomer

(I don’t know if what was posted to me — quoted above — is an attempt at obfuscation in order to self-validate vaccine denial — or if it is just an attempt to pass the time messing with people. . .What I do know though is that I need to not engage further in this back and forth. There would be no point.)

. . .Aw, geez, I do not know why that little blushing emoticon is at the beginning of my post. I guess I bumped something on my iPad. I cannot make it go away here in editing mode. Believe you me, my post is not making me blush.

"What I said was that it is the UNvaccinated Covid patients who are taking over ICUs throughout the country. The stats clearly show that fact."

"AND — now there are very real, very serious concerns over “collateral deaths” — revisit my post above about the postponed heart surgeries — and those 100 are postponed by just one hospital. Imagine how many more there are throughout the country."

"The Huge and Overwhelming percentage of those who are in hospital beds are the UNvaccinated. That was my point. It is the UNvaccinated who are exhausting the system. Your takeoff was purely extraneous — straight out of the Yeah, But Factory, Inc."

Your very simple message and facts, are ones that anti-vaxxers do not want to acknowledge and are desperate to try and deflect from. I can't imagine having a loved one who can't undergo a life-saving procedure, because those who chose not to be vaccinated are occupying all of the ICU beds. Talk about the epitome of selfishness.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Boomer

You are taking my post and picking one part out of context. How [I]conveeeeeenient[/

The fact remains that it is the unvaccinated who are causing the biggest part of this mess we are in as a country.

Boomer

I’m taking nothing out of context and therein lies the point of this discussion. How are the unvaccinated causing the biggest part of the mess when covid can remain in everyone, even though vaccinated, and continue to morph? This is the point!

Pro-vaccination pushers truly believe vaccinations will eradicate this beast and to date, this has not proven to be true. You or I, both vaccinated, may be non-symptomatic carriers of the covid virus right now. And the vulnerable and not so vulnerable, as Winston appears to be, will still contract covid and it will continue to morph. Covid at this point isn’t going anywhere and the pro-vaccinators aren’t helping the cause by insisting covid will be totally eradicated by vaccination.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by tvbound

"What I said was that it is the UNvaccinated Covid patients who are taking over ICUs throughout the country. The stats clearly show that fact."

"AND — now there are very real, very serious concerns over “collateral deaths” — revisit my post above about the postponed heart surgeries — and those 100 are postponed by just one hospital. Imagine how many more there are throughout the country."

"The Huge and Overwhelming percentage of those who are in hospital beds are the UNvaccinated. That was my point. It is the UNvaccinated who are exhausting the system. Your takeoff was purely extraneous — straight out of the Yeah, But Factory, Inc."

Your very simple message and facts, are ones that anti-vaxxers do not want to acknowledge and are desperate to try and deflect from. I can't imagine having a loved one who can't undergo a life-saving procedure, because those who chose not to be vaccinated are occupying all of the ICU beds. Talk about the epitome of selfishness.

Please provide the HUGH and OVERWHELMING numbers of the unvaccinated with covid in ICU at this time. Numbers seem to be missing for these stats and it will better your argument. I would also like to see all the numbers of the vaccinated who ended up in ICU with covid.


CDC numbers August 16, 2021: The CDC received reports from 49 states of 9,716 patients with covid vaccine breakthrough illness who were hospitalized or died. Those numbers alone would plug ICUs. It is a disgusting, difficult disease and probably limiting activities, masking and social distancing will help one avoid it but right now it is in control. Will life ever become normal again, your guess is as good as mine.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Please provide the HUGH and OVERWHELMING numbers of the unvaccinated with covid in ICU at this time. Numbers seem to be missing for these stats and it will better your argument. I would also like to see all the numbers of the vaccinated who ended up in ICU with covid.

Be honest, you really don't want to see those numbers and you would deny them if you did. If you really wanted them you would refer to local newspaper articles for Florida numbers or national papers for US numbers or you would look at the WaPo, NYT, or CDC Covid tracking pages.