[Peachie]

[quote=senior citizen;778163]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Hey, we have two landscapers in our own family.....a nephew and an inlaw. Hardworking, salt of the earth guys. We had a beloved Uncle who was a plumber. My parents were factory workers. My husband's dad was a tool and die maker. Two uncles were mailmen. No one we knew wore a suit to work and no one we ever knew got a $100 haircut...that's for sure. My husband wore a denim shirt in his studio and even when he opened a retail store, he still dressed down in a polo shirt as that's what they do up here.....dress casually. We have nephews who are policemen and lawyers. The lawyer would wear a suit when he has a court trial.

I had a brother in law who drove a big tanker truck for Shell Oil and then Exxon.....another who owned a hardware store and another cousin who delivers meat. All blue collar workers.

I never said "blue collar workers" were scary. My husband was a craftsman and I would say that is a blue collar worker. A very talented one.

I meant that some of the ones driving all over The Villages (got in there somehow...onto the grounds that you don't want the Stonecrest people to drive) were scary looking and some of the landscapers working on the road near our rental home.......(looked at them for a month).........didn't look like high school kids or any landscapers I've ever seen. So, what I meant in a nutshell........is ANYONE can get into The Villages.....and be near the homes........obviously, they are not riding on the golf cart paths......

Our son and son in law do wear suits to work but they are also college grads with higher graduate degrees....and it's the uniform that is called for in their workplace. But I still doubt if they'd ever pay $100. for a haircut.

So many on this forum have said they have friends in Stonecrest.
I'd hate to be a fair weather friend just to be popular on this forum.

I shouldn't have to explain myself.

I've explained before re the "outsiders" or whatever they are in Stonecrest coming to the squares..........and my husband's opinion , in that had he not welcomed people from all the outlying towns (up in the mountains and out in the farmlands) and just relied on the 16,000 locals in our little town, he wouldn't have been as successful as he was. I've never heard of towns drawing "do not cross over this line" rules..........we get all kinds of folks that come into our town to shop, to go to a movie, to the doctors, to the hospital and we welcome them as they also stop for lunch or dinner in a restaurant and that's what keeps "Main Street" going............nuff said.

We also welcome Canadians and leaf peepers from all the other states.

We trust our own carpenters and plumbers and painters so much that we let them "do their thing" while we were gone two weeks. Gave them the keys to the house. We have NOTHING against blue collar workers and consider them our FRIENDS........and FAMILY.

Ah, Senior, I think you have the wrong community... STONECREST has locked and barred their community to outsiders, unless you have special permission to come in and increase their coffers.

The Villages is the warm and open community where the streets are public. The Squares are open to the public and "Main Street" can keep going here in The Villages. The STREETS from Stonecrest can be driven right into The Villages in the same manner of most commercial areas of the United States.

The Morse family business model offered carts paths to its residents, period.

Your remark about "fairweather friends" smells funny to me. Has Stonecrest put a hole in their fence so we can easily get into their complex to use facilities that are available to us so we can avoid the hassle at the front gate? So much of your post has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

[blueash]

The population of TV is now at 100,000 residents in the winter. There really are more as some rentals have more than 2 per home and many residents here have guests any given week. So perhaps we peak at 110,000 (wild guess?). Nonetheless, if on any given day 25% of the residents of Stonecrest and 25% of the residents of Fruitland additionally came, we might go from 110,000 people here to 114,000 people here, a MASSIVE increase in our traffic of 3% lousy percent. They would use public highways spend money inside this community which we all support. However some are opposed because the developer built the multimodal paths and now via tax-free bonds which we pay back as amenity fees and home bonds someone else "THEM" might derive a small benefit. This has IMO nothing to do with overcrowding as no one is going to notice a 3% increase in traffic so please skip that argument. Would you be happy if the POA at Stonecrest offered to pay into the maintenance cost for the paths? Now it wouldn't be fair for them to asked to pay for any paths other than the ones they are likely to use. Keep in mind that via their taxes they already pay for the streets. It would seem to be easy to set up a system where interested persons from Stonecrest could obtain a gate card and as we know the cards are already tracked, their POA would get a bill for each time a card is used. Everyone happy with that? Stonecrest would also pick up the cost of establishing and maintaining the hardware and software needed.

[golf2140]

I don't believe that gate was put up to stop the folks from Stonecrest. It's was put up because of the massive care center being built just north of The Villages property line. ( Forget it's name) They started to advertise that it was golf cart ride to The Villages. If I was the Morse family and a large facilty was built saying it was goft cart friendly, I would put a stop to it. The family has put in a lot of work to make The Villages what it is today.

[red tail]

don't forget the folks on paradise dr that have to endure this traffic.

[LndLocked]

I had absolutely no idea that such vast hordes of the great unwashed masses were descending on The Villages like golf cart driving invading mongrels!!? I must have missed all of the mile long traffic jams of illegal alien driven golf carts clogging the "Multi-Modal Paths" all throughout the pristine wonderfulness that is America's Friendliest Hometown"

I say why stop at just keeping those darn pesky foreign type operated golf carts out!! I mean it takes a bit of effort to get a foreign golf cart into our lil bubble of utopia .... but think about how easy it is for "outsiders" to just walk or bike in!!!

The answer is crystal clear to me. Let's use our genuine and God given 2nd amendment rights to form "A well regulated Militia" and make sure that each and every; walker, runner, cyclist (especially these annoying bike riders!), roller skaters, hula hoopers, Segway riders (don't get me started on those hipster wannabe's), dog walkers (even if they have fitted Fido with the soon to be mandatory Doggie Colostomy Bag) .... in general every living breathing soul that use's "our" Multi-Modal Paths, is in fact a card carrying The Villages resident!!!

Punishment to offenders will range from a harsh tongue lashing (for not carrying your "papers) to a caning (for not submitting for the new "TV Resident Micro Chip" implant) to a public stoning (that will teach "them")

WHO"S WITH ME!?!?!?

[rubicon]

BobAllen1290 I read both of your posts and I agree you.

The village has ben lax in tending to its gates and I believe they finally have figured that out.

this issue of Stonecrest golf carts using our paths has been going on for a long time.

I initially felt it should be challenged and was shouted down by many. suddenly the majority agree that it is a problem. Why? because of the same reasons cited years back. 1 congestion 2) they are riding free 3) despite what some believe the golf cart paths are private and paid or maintained to by village residents. Recall that the widening of the golf cart paths was not paid for by the county, not by the developer but by our amenity fees. 4) Recall I explained back in early 2007 I met a Stonecrest resident who laughed in my face because he felt he dodged the extra cost of The Villages and could still experience the Lifestyle.

finally ask yourself how long you would tolerate a person going to lunch with you and sticking you we the bill every time?

to my way of thinking we have enough gridlock on the golf cart paths now

[blueash]

[quote=Peachie;778177]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Your remark about "fairweather friends" smells funny to me. Has Stonecrest put a hole in their fence so we can easily get into their complex to use facilities that are available to us so we can avoid the hassle at the front gate? So much of your post has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

This is completely apples and orangutans. The streets and buildings within Stonecrest were built with private money. The residents of Stonecrest pay to build and maintain their streets. We do not. Going into Stonecrest is no different than driving into someone's personal property, coming into TV is like going into a public space. If you want to enter my home I insist that you stop at the front door and ask my permission. On the other hand I have no right to stop you from walking on the street in front of my house. There are no facilities in Stonecrest that are publicly "available to us", only those facilities they are willing to share by opening their private front door and letting us enter.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by blueash

The population of TV is now at 100,000 residents in the winter. There really are more as some rentals have more than 2 per home and many residents here have guests any given week. So perhaps we peak at 110,000 (wild guess?). Nonetheless, if on any given day 25% of the residents of Stonecrest and 25% of the residents of Fruitland additionally came, we might go from 110,000 people here to 114,000 people here, a MASSIVE increase in our traffic of 3% lousy percent. They would use public highways spend money inside this community which we all support. However some are opposed because the developer built the multimodal paths and now via tax-free bonds which we pay back as amenity fees and home bonds someone else "THEM" might derive a small benefit. This has IMO nothing to do with overcrowding as no one is going to notice a 3% increase in traffic so please skip that argument. Would you be happy if the POA at Stonecrest offered to pay into the maintenance cost for the paths? Now it wouldn't be fair for them to asked to pay for any paths other than the ones they are likely to use. Keep in mind that via their taxes they already pay for the streets. It would seem to be easy to set up a system where interested persons from Stonecrest could obtain a gate card and as we know the cards are already tracked, their POA would get a bill for each time a card is used. Everyone happy with that? Stonecrest would also pick up the cost of establishing and maintaining the hardware and software needed.

Blueash, I think that is tunnel vision.

First: 4,000 additional carts from outside the community on our multimodal trails is a LOT.

Second: if outlying communities are able to petition the counties to force The Villages to open their fences to the general public, you have, in essence, killed the vitality and uniqueness of The Villages. Grab a map and study the areas adjacent or accessible by the building of a cart path to The Villages. You are not talking 4,000 carts.

From my understanding, there are homes for sale in The Villages. If one desires the features of The Villages, buy in. And if you think having golf cart access to everything The Villages has to offer is a "small benefit", then why all the complaining? Get in your car and drive in.

[Peachie]

[quote=blueash;778221]

Originally Posted by Peachie

This is completely apples and orangutans. The streets and buildings within Stonecrest were built with private money. The residents of Stonecrest pay to build and maintain their streets. We do not. Going into Stonecrest is no different than driving into someone's personal property, coming into TV is like going into a public space. If you want to enter my home I insist that you stop at the front door and ask my permission. On the other hand I have no right to stop you from walking on the street in front of my house. There are no facilities in Stonecrest that are publicly "available to us", only those facilities they are willing to share by opening their private front door and letting us enter.

Exactly! The interior of The Villages with golf cart access is for Village residents, we insist Stonecrest take the public street into the Squares and shopping centers because they didn't buy into The Villages and pay the premiums we paid for our homes for these special features.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

I had absolutely no idea that such vast hordes of the great unwashed masses were descending on The Villages like golf cart driving invading mongrels!!? I must have missed all of the mile long traffic jams of illegal alien driven golf carts clogging the "Multi-Modal Paths" all throughout the pristine wonderfulness that is America's Friendliest Hometown"

I say why stop at just keeping those darn pesky foreign type operated golf carts out!! I mean it takes a bit of effort to get a foreign golf cart into our lil bubble of utopia .... but think about how easy it is for "outsiders" to just walk or bike in!!!

The answer is crystal clear to me. Let's use our genuine and God given 2nd amendment rights to form "A well regulated Militia" and make sure that each and every; walker, runner, cyclist (especially these annoying bike riders!), roller skaters, hula hoopers, Segway riders (don't get me started on those hipster wannabe's), dog walkers (even if they have fitted Fido with the soon to be mandatory Doggie Colostomy Bag) .... in general every living breathing soul that use's "our" Multi-Modal Paths, is in fact a card carrying The Villages resident!!!

Punishment to offenders will range from a harsh tongue lashing (for not carrying your "papers) to a caning (for not submitting for the new "TV Resident Micro Chip" implant) to a public stoning (that will teach "them")

WHO"S WITH ME!?!?!?

The "unwashed masses" must have really bothered Stonecrest and Spruce Creek South. They put walls up and guards on duty so commoners like you and I wouldn't enter their hallowed grounds, (if you want to be that way about it, sigh....).

[co519]

I seem to be missing the point of where these private golf cart paths might be!!! From everything that I have seen as long as you can get to these paths legally with a golf cart than you can freely drive said cart on these paths. Since most of these paths are accessed from public roads I would think that maybe a yearly trail fee would be a much better approach since at this time all legal golf carts rented or owned can access all cart paths. This being said the comparison of our borders being invaded by Illegal aliens is is really far fetched.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by co519

I seem to be missing the point of where these private golf cart paths might be!!! From everything that I have seen as long as you can get to these paths legally with a golf cart than you can freely drive said cart on these paths. Since most of these paths are accessed from public roads I would think that maybe a yearly trail fee would be a much better approach since at this time all legal golf carts rented or owned can access all cart paths. This being said the comparison of our borders being invaded by Illegal aliens is is really far fetched.

If you have a street legal cart that you can legally use on the highway that allows access to The Villages, you may enter that way if you want to go to the Squares or shopping centers.

Trail fees would cut it if you also include the premium price that The Village residents pay for the privilege of those cart paths. Wouldn't a simpler solution be to move to The Villages rather than standing on the other side of the fence and trying to talk the powers-that-be into giving you the same rights as The Village residents? Or you can hop in your car and come on over, the arrangement for which you paid when you purchased your home in Stonecrest or Spruce Creek, etc.

[co519]

Originally Posted by Peachie

If you have a street legal cart that you can legally use on the highway that allows access to The Villages, you may enter that way if you want to go to the Squares or shopping centers.

Trail fees would cut it if you also include the premium price that The Village residents pay for the privilege of those cart paths. Wouldn't a simpler solution be to move to The Villages rather than standing on the other side of the fence and trying to talk the powers-that-be into giving you the same rights as The Village residents?

You can enter that way to use the squares and all of the cart paths. My point is that the cart paths are not restricted to anyone that can access TV with a legal golf cart. I also don't recall me saying that I am asking anybody to give me any rights to what you have. All I am saying is that the rights to the cart paths are already there to anyone in the general public.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by co519

I seem to be missing the point of where these private golf cart paths might be!!! From everything that I have seen as long as you can get to these paths legally with a golf cart than you can freely drive said cart on these paths. Since most of these paths are accessed from public roads I would think that maybe a yearly trail fee would be a much better approach since at this time all legal golf carts rented or owned can access all cart paths. This being said the comparison of our borders being invaded by Illegal aliens is is really far fetched.

Where can these paths be accessed freely from a public road? There was only one I was aware of that now has a gate. With the gate, you can't get to a public road inside the Villages without a street legal. Then you might as well drive on the streets

[co519]

Originally Posted by DougB

Where can these paths accessed freely from a public road? There was only one I was aware of that now has a gate.

Unless something has changed most if not all roads in TV are public thus they are maintained by county dollars.