[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by sailor47

The developer has a very important carrot that he can use to bring in commercial customers. From restaurants to hardware stores he can offer Golf Cart accessibility. That's a big deal. He has marketed this with his customers and it would be stupid for him to allow an erosion of this sales tool.

The paradise gate is just one place that surrounding communities or businesses outside of TV would like to have the ability to enter TV by golf cart. Has nothing to do with public roads, all these golf cart paths where they enter TV are on private property.

The developer, I think, will eventually build out. Then his only source of income will be commercially leased properties. Which is a really big deal. I for one hope he makes a bunch on his commercial interests so that the quality of life and higher standards can be maintained that are the reasons we bought here in the first place.

You are right of course, SumterInc. is in it to turn a profit. That is o.k. with me. Gary Morse is NOT our mother, but I am content to be his foster child as long as I can live here.

He and his family, and his staff and builders and ALL of the wise, smart folks who have planned this and built it have learned as they grew. His success translates into our success, if you consider your home an investment.

It is not sinful to be successful financially no matter what some few folks think. I think there are four now who live in TV who think that way. Maybe five.

[DonH57]

I'm glad Gary Morse had the dream and good business sense to get the best people to build the villages. Like any business endeavor it could have easily failed under a different business model. Nothing wrong at all with being successfull and giving back is equally important. Is everyone happy? Maybe not but you can't please everyone.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If Stonecrest ownership or management is so concerned about the ability of their residents to have golf cart access to the Villages Hospital and the VA, why don't they go through the trouble and expense of having a golf cart bridge or tunnel that crosses 27/441? They could even petition Sumter County to create some kind of variance that allows golf carts to cross at the pedestrian crossings. That would make the gold cart ride to the hospital and VA a lot shorter for them.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by co519

And the same back to you without all the healthcare, entertainment, shopping, etc.............would they still move to The Villages!!!!!

Umm....all of that healthcare, shopping, entertainment etc has been built by the Villages to attract people to their development.

[golf2140]

Gracie for President Let's start a committee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You are right of course, SumterInc. is in it to turn a profit. That is o.k. with me. Gary Morse is NOT our mother, but I am content to be his foster child as long as I can live here.

He and his family, and his staff and builders and ALL of the wise, smart folks who have planned this and built it have learned as they grew. His success translates into our success, if you consider your home an investment.

It is not sinful to be successful financially no matter what some few folks think. I think there are four now who live in TV who think that way. Maybe five.

The Morse family, in protecting their investment and profits, are protecting our home values. I'm all for that.

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

For me added traffic is not the point. I pay a monthly fee plus I paid a premium on my home price so I could enjoy what TV has to offer. Those that want to use the multi-modal paths should have to do the same thing

Finally a voice of reason in all this! It's not just the amenities & the fees related to using the multi modal paths it's more about the premium we all paid for our homes that those outside our community didn't pay figuring they could get more house & still enjoy what we have.

[ellie123]

Problem with that is the cars will take up more parking spaces than the golf carts.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Peachie

I might be able to help you 'cipher that one Mickey...

1.) Playing the same 18 holes over and over gets boring...

2.) They were able to bring their own golf carts over to The Villages to golf and didn't have to rent one...

I think you're having a little problem with your "ciphering". The rates at Stonecrest include a cart. At the Villages, residents can use their own carts, yes, but they are paying for the carts themselves, the maintenance, gas, electric bill, etc. and of course the cost of the priority membership, which is $745 for a single or $950 for a couple.The priority rates for golf in The Villages are simiiar to rates in Stonecrest and other neighboring courses, but after adding on all the abovementioned costs, you are paying more to play golf here. Also, the rates for non-residents to play golf in The Villages are exorbitant, and its almost impossible for a non-resident to get a tee time in the high season. Why would a Stonecrest resident come here and pay $70 to play a round of golf, assuming he/she could even get a tee time, when they get a resident discount to play their own course, ppay $35 or less,and they are assured of a tee time? What you do see happen quite frequently is that Villagers go off campus to enjoy a variety of courses and/or play with friends who are not residents. There are a number of men's and ladies groups that do this on a regular basis.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I think you're having a little problem with your "ciphering". The rates at Stonecrest include a cart. At the Villages, residents can use their own carts, yes, but they are paying for the carts themselves, the maintenance, gas, electric bill, etc. and of course the cost of the priority membership, which is $745 for a single or $950 for a couple.The priority rates for golf in The Villages are simiiar to rates in Stonecrest and other neighboring courses, but after adding on all the abovementioned costs, you are paying more to play golf here. Also, the rates for non-residents to play golf in The Villages are exorbitant, and its almost impossible for a non-resident to get a tee time in the high season. Why would a Stonecrest resident come here and pay $70 to play a round of golf, assuming he/she could even get a tee time, when they get a resident discount to play their own course, ppay $35 or less,and they are assured of a tee time? What you do see happen quite frequently is that Villagers go off campus to enjoy a variety of courses and/or play with friends who are not residents. There are a number of men's and ladies groups that do this on a regular basis.

I think you lost sight of your question which I answered, "why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to golf. This was not about what The Villagers pay to golf...

If a Stonecrester could drive their regular golf cart into The Villages to golf they could: drive right out of their garage with the clubs on the cart without loading and unloading their equipment twice from the car; they could stay local and save much in time and gas costs; they would have a variety of courses, (and tee times are not as difficult to obtain as everyone would have you believe, this is particularly true if they have a friend or group they play with that lives in The Villages and they play the championship courses); the golfers also have a wide variety of restaurants and clubs at which they can grab lunch and tip a beverage with their friends after their round of golf. As far as fees go, summer rates are almost half of the winter rates and are a terrific deal. It is my understanding that a good number of Stonecresters are fulltimers.

These are some reasons Stonecresters may be interested in golfing in The Villages. What you determine to be outrageous prices can be quite a deal with all of the above taken into consideration. The fees charged for golf are nothing to some people who, in their previous lives, belonged to a country club. You may also want to consider that many golfers like a variety of challenges on different courses, not the same ole, same ole.

Note: Anyone else wish this thread would dry up and go away?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Peachie

I think you lost sight of your question which I answered, "why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to golf. This was not about what The Villagers pay to golf...

If a Stonecrester could drive their regular golf cart into The Villages to golf they could: drive right out of their garage with the clubs on the cart without loading and unloading their equipment twice from the car; they could stay local and save much in time and gas costs; they would have a variety of courses, (and tee times are not as difficult to obtain as everyone would have you believe, this is particularly true if they have a friend or group they play with that lives in The Villages and they play the championship courses); the golfers also have a wide variety of restaurants and clubs at which they can grab lunch and tip a beverage with their friends after their round of golf. As far as fees go, summer rates are almost half of the winter rates and are a terrific deal. It is my understanding that a good number of Stonecresters are fulltimers.

These are some reasons Stonecresters may be interested in golfing in The Villages. What you determine to be outrageous prices can be quite a deal with all of the above taken into consideration. The fees charged for golf are nothing to some people who, in their previous lives, belonged to a country club. You may also want to consider that many golfers like a variety of challenges on different courses, not the same ole, same ole.

Note: Anyone else wish this thread would dry up and go away?

No, just some of the posters!

[rhondac]

Originally Posted by ellie123

Problem with that is the cars will take up more parking spaces than the golf carts.

I vote for golf cart parking only, around the squares perimeters!!! solves that!....not really, but....I have been quiet on TOTV, surely not the fun place I knew....lol... but agree that the gate belongs there.......always wondered why it was gone(broken gate since 2004)...Villager since 10/2004! I personally have heard many people from STONECREST joke about saving $ on their houses and boasting about using The Villages amenities (yes, golf after hours....and KBs(just befriend a Villager)EASY!) ha! ....etc., etc....sorry, but, want use???? Buy here. Simple as that. Could have, should have doesn't work. Sorry.

[Barboza]

You would be surprised & how would you feel about having to pay for outsiders to use the cart paths. What about increased amount of Golf Carts around town & bound to be increased accidents & we may then lose the right to use carts ourselves

[patfla06]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It would be simple to sell a home in Stonecrest and move to the Villages. While the homes in The Villages are still affordable.

We all have choices that are above board and none of us have to choose devious ways to accomplish our goals, dreams or wants.

On this forum I have learned what a Contrarian is, what a red herring is, what happens when having a giving attitude toward others is taken advantage of and I have learned about how being sensible and realistic is usually the best course. And it has reinforced my belief that we all need to learn to take care of ourselves, and save for the future. It is not other people's responsibility to look after us and give us what we want when we can get it for ourselves by careful planning, work, and some sacrifice..and if that doesn't work, shift to other goals and dreams.

Wanting something is not reason enough to think we are entitled to it.

Amen!