[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

But...........once you cross 441/27 you do have access. Right?

So what's your point. This is what you bought into. You cannot legally restrict lawful access over public roads to anyone. The crossing is being requested from one public facility not owned by The Villages over a state highway. There is no Village authority being compromised.

[graciegirl]

Just to be clear. Steve9930 is from Stonecrest.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Lets get the facts straight. Stonecrest is not petitioning to gain access to The Villages. The article is misleading in the fact that what a group in Stonecrest desires is a Golf Cart Crossing from the Doctors office area accross 441/27 to the Hospital area. This is not The Villages property. No one is trying to get Golf Cart access to your beloved villages.

Originally Posted by Steve9930

So what's your point. This is what you bought into. You cannot legally restrict lawful access over public roads to anyone. The crossing is being requested from one public facility not owned by The Villages over a state highway. There is no Village authority being compromised.

My point is you say "No one is trying to get Golf Cart access to your beloved villages."
And I say once accross 441/27 you do have access.

"This is what you bought into.' Not sure what this means................and really don't care to know.

[justavillager]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Just to be clear. Steve9930 is from Stonecrest.

Where Steve9930 lives or doesn't live has nothing to do with his right to be in TV, use it's shops and restaurants, it's movie theatres (if he pays an extra 50 cents) it's bowling alleys etc.,etc. He would have the same rights if he were from Spruce Creek S., Del Webb Spruce Creek, Wildwood, Fruitland Park or Oshkosh. For the life of me I can't understand that some folks seem to think TV is a secure closed gated community that exists for their exclusive use. It's not.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Just to be clear. Steve9930 is from Stonecrest.

Just to be clear graciegirl is from the villages. Now what did that accomplish. What I wish is that people understand what they buy when they buy it. I've watched this whole wall thing since the onset. The facts are all the stores, shops, parking, Hospital, and roads do not belong to The Villages. It would serve everyone well if they understand how these communities are developed and what they actually purchased into before they kick the sand into the air.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

My point is you say "No one is trying to get Golf Cart access to your beloved villages."
And I say once accross 441/27 you do have access.

"This is what you bought into.' Not sure what this means................and really don't care to know.

You cannot rewrite the law. You bought into an open access community. People that do not pay amenity fees are going to use your Golf cart Paths. That's what you bought into.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

You cannot rewrite the law. You bought into an open access community. People that do not pay amenity fees are going to use your Golf cart Paths. That's what you bought into.

you seem to be the one trying to rewrite the law, the only parts of the villages that must be open to the public are the roads and businesses,
the golf cart paths are NOT public, we villagers pay for their maintenance! outsiders are free to use golf cart trails on county roads which are open, but once you go onto one of the multi-modal paths you are on our private property! you don't contribute to their use. I'd be happy to see them open those gates again with a 5.00 use toll to go thru!

and if you think that the Villages does not have a stake in every business here you are very wrong! why don't you investigate (truly, not your bs claim of investigation) and see just what the deal is.

[SALYBOW]

If something were to happen to a Stonecrester or anyone else as they are on that stretch of path, the Villages could be held accountable.
Villagers are also told there are places they can not be, hence the "No Cars" or "No Carts" signs posted throughout the Villages. The developer has the right to protect themselves, and us, from litigation.
Stonecresters who are complaining seem to feel that they are entitled to use of the path because they were told by their developer that they would be, or maybe just because they exist.
The ads for Stonecrest play up the fact that it is cheaper to live there because they don't have to pay amenity fees. IMHO, the payment of amenity fees is the key issue here. The payment of amenity fees alone entitles a person to use the amenities. No Tickee... No Laundry! This is not a land of entitlement.

[looneycat]

[quote=Steve9930;794854]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

The Villages has no legal right to make or enforce laws. You cannot do what you suggested. LSVs where owned by a Village resident or an outsider do not and should not be on the Golf Cart Paths. They have been designed for street use. using them on the paths puts others in danger.

so you don't know about the CDD system that GOVERNS The Villages? I don't know, this whole thing stinks of sour grapes from someone who thought that by buying outside the villages they could make use of facilities we paid for, wanna use the multi-modal paths? pay for the right like I do!

[jbdlfan]

The Villages has no legal right to make or enforce laws. You cannot do what you suggested. LSVs where owned by a Village resident or an outsider do not and should not be on the Golf Cart Paths. They have been designed for street use. using them on the paths puts others in danger.[/QUOTE]

?????????
How is driving an LSV any more dangerous than a golf cart while on a MM path????

[jbdlfan]

I know this won't be popular, but the Stonecresters may win this one. The wall was a totally different arguement(in my opinion). They are now asking to cross 441 for access to the hospital. That may actually fly. I get what the ral intent is and I don't care either way. But, knowing politicians, they will probably side with the idea of access to a medical facility. Just an opinion....

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

You cannot rewrite the law. You bought into an open access community. People that do not pay amenity fees are going to use your Golf cart Paths. That's what you bought into.

Steve9930 - where is it written that our 'open access community' provides any right for those not a member of our community to use their golf carts to access the things for which our amenities support and they do not?

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Steve9930 - where is it written that our 'open access community' provides any right for those not a member of our community to use their golf carts to access the things for which our amenities support and they do not?

You understand you purchased into what is legally called a Political Municipality? Look up the definition and once you understand that then you'll understand what and why access will never be denied. Did it ever occur to you why you never see a Do Not Trespass sign anywhere? Why The Villages has no Mayor, or City Consul, or Police Force. Once you understand the law then write me a note.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by looneycat

you seem to be the one trying to rewrite the law, the only parts of the villages that must be open to the public are the roads and businesses,
the golf cart paths are NOT public, we villagers pay for their maintenance! outsiders are free to use golf cart trails on county roads which are open, but once you go onto one of the multi-modal paths you are on our private property! you don't contribute to their use. I'd be happy to see them open those gates again with a 5.00 use toll to go thru!

and if you think that the Villages does not have a stake in every business here you are very wrong! why don't you investigate (truly, not your bs claim of investigation) and see just what the deal is.

As a Political Municipality The Villages has no authority to collect fees from the general public. As for the stores, roads, and the like you are totally wrong about the villages having a stake in these buildings. They all belong to the developer. Its this kind of nonsense that has stirred the pot again, As far as I'm concerned I'd help you build a 50 foot wall around the whole place.

[cabo35]

Originally Posted by Steve9930;794869(Sarcastic nonsense deleted) Now what did that accomplish. [B

What I wish is that people understand what they buy when they buy it.[/B] I've watched this whole wall thing since the onset. The facts are all the stores, shops, parking, Hospital, and roads do not belong to The Villages. It would serve everyone well if they understand how these communities are developed and what they actually purchased into before they kick the sand into the air.

I couldn't agree with you more Steve. I hope Stonecrestors get their access to hospitals, doctors, stores and shops legally across 441/27. They need to remember that the cart trails and paths in The Villages, except those sharing public roads, are NOT public, they are private, paid for and maintained by Villagers. I am sure Stonecrestors are honest and law abiding. I couldn't imagine them sneaking onto a cart path to get to, lets say, Lake Sumter Landing or Brownwood, or all those wonderful Villages funded, Villages lifestyle, exclusive amenities in between.

A few years back I played with a foursome at Lopez. One of the golfers, a Stonecrestor, was a friend of one of the foursome. He graciously invited the group to play at his home course at Stonecrest. I rode with him and was treated to a four hour presentation on why Stonecrest was a smarter and better investment than The Villages. He got more living space for less money. Lower maintenance cost and no trail fees. Real manned gates that kept the undesirables out and, as advertised, he had unfettered access to Village cart trails, bridges and most amenities. He emphasized how much less it cost him to live in Stonecrest several times. I think he liked me, he invited me back. I have not taken him up.

You are right Steve. Stonecrestors should "understand what they bought into". They should not be crying foul now and making Villagers the target of their frustration when someone issues a reality check. I am certain the great majority of Stonecrestors, like you, are good, honest, salt of the earth people with no axes to grind. A few have made harsh sometimes intimidating public statements that result in "in kind" responses that escalates ill feelings between good people of both communities.

Some have suggested a user fee as a compromise. That makes more sense than subsidizing endless and costly litigation.