[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by lovinganimals

hmm, I'm not a medical professional but I am trained in AED. I wasn't trained to use it on people who are conscious and have a pulse.-Kitty

I also questioned a doctor I work with about using it on a person who has a pulse and his response was to hook them up because the AED assesses their pulse and tells you if a shock is needed. I do nuclear stress testing and have seen people in V-fib and V-tach who are conscious and need to be shocked to bring them back to a normal rhythm. So having them hooked up to the AED is at least one way we can help them before EMS arrives. I am just glad I did not get to this man and have him be unconscious with no pulse and NOT have an AED. Yes I could do CPR, but I would not do breaths because his mouth was full of blood (but they have shown CPR to be helpful even without breaths) but nothing replaces an AED in that situation.
I will call Truman/Roosevelt rec center or the appropriate people and inform them of the situation as someone suggested.

Probably a waste of time to call a rec center.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Your title for the thread stated disappointment in TV......however your more accurate statement is the last sentence in your post as shown above.

Too often too many people tar TV for the consequences of an isolated incident. I am glad to see that is not the case here. I am always amused at those who are so ready to accept the onsey twosey scenarios as an incrimination of the whole....like being glad this is no one's primary residence because of an instance that thus far NO ONE has done any more that speculate at best and extrapolated the incident at worst!!!

I would look into the nobody has the key answer because that is not the way the system of AEDs are put in and people trained. There is definitely more to that "story". I am only speaking from the training and routine that we went through when we put the AEDs in our neighborhood.

I am not doubting or challenging the word of the OP........I would just like to know more about why the AED routine did not work as intended.......

I agree the title was a big broad brush.

[getdul981]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Carried by whom?

All first responders.

[lovinganimals]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Your title for the thread stated disappointment in TV......however your more accurate statement is the last sentence in your post as shown above.

I would look into the nobody has the key answer because that is not the way the system of AEDs are put in and people trained. There is definitely more to that "story". I am only speaking from the training and routine that we went through when we put the AEDs in our neighborhood.

I am not doubting or challenging the word of the OP........I would just like to know more about why the AED routine did not work as intended.......

You are right, I should have said I was disappointed in the situation, not TV. I am disappointed in the fact that no one could get at the AED. I do not know exactly why as I was with the gentleman on the green. When I got back to the starter, I mentioned that I was surprised the AED was not brought out there and I was just told by other people that they "couldn't get at it, it was locked up". I would think that any time an ambulance is called for unknown reasons (not a broken leg or some other obvious reason), that the AED would be brought out IN CASE its needed. Better to have it and not need it.....they are self explanatory so even non medical people can use them. They have directions for putting on the pads and it talks to the person and tells them what to do. They should be easily accessible.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by getdul981

All first responders.

Does TV place AEDs? where do they place them? I am a first responder for my neighborhood and helped pay for the AEDs.
How would you all propose this be organized that the responders from my neighborhood become responsible to respond all over TV?

[lovinganimals]

I believe all the rec centers have AEDs. I am almost positive saw signs for one once. If I am wrong, please correct me. All I know is there was one in the area of this incident and when the starter went to get it, it was locked up.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Does TV place AEDs? where do they place them? I am a first responder for my neighborhood and helped pay for the AEDs.
How would you all propose this be organized that the responders from my neighborhood become responsible to respond all over TV?

Nearly all the neighborhoods/villages have done what yours did. They are organized with first responders with AED's paid for by the villagers.
No need for a new wheel...................

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by lovinganimals

I believe all the rec centers have AEDs. I am almost positive saw signs for one once. If I am wrong, please correct me. All I know is there was one in the area of this incident and when the starter went to get it, it was locked up.

Will be nice to hear the other side of the story.

[senior citizen]

ABSTER:


I hope and pray this gentleman will be okay. I am also saddened to hear no one could get to this life saving equipment. This is a retirement community and you would certainly expect more. Not to change the subject BUT I hate going to the square. I push my husband in a wheelchair. There are many times we are heading one direction and have to do a Uturn because there is no handicap access...no way onto or off sidewalks. Are you kidding me? In a village full of old people? This community is this old and these serious problems have never been addressed? I am so happy this is NOT my primary residence.
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Take a walk around LSL. You'll soon all the sidewalks are not accessible on both ends. Also, notice how few Handicapped parking spaces there are???? Absolutely insane. Yes, this is just a get away place for us. We have an oceanfront home a few hours away. We bought here for the lifestyle but found it's too crowded to really enjoy. We do have a lot of friends who have second homes here - for the winter golf. I personally feel it's far too crowded and it's beginning to show it's got the same problems as any other community out there - thieves, sex offenders, drug and alcohol abuse...
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Serious concerns expressed above by this new poster.......
I read both posts with total understanding of what she was trying to convey. As we all age, at some time or another, everyone will confront problems of mobility, or perhaps an unexpected medical emergency..........in a retirement community of oldsters (or I used to assume they were all old people like us), ease of access to all venues , along with handicapped parking, should be a top priority.

Anytime a place gets too big, the little things , the important things, get lost along the way.

Hopefully, all turned out well for the injured individual, as the ambulance did seem to arrive in an expedient manner.

To the original poster, I knew what you meant to convey........
We too, have been weighing apples vs. oranges, such as the desirability of a much smaller community on the oceanfront which has all of the services one would desire, plus less crowded conditions with lower population.......vs. the original dream of The Villages as a retirement destination. Perhaps we waited too long and are already too old. Que sera sera.......

[Bogie Shooter]

Recreation Center / Government Office Building AED Data as of 02/01/2013

Village Community Development Districts

Public Safety CPR/AED Classes
Village Community Development Districts

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

I hope and pray this gentleman will be okay. I am also saddened to hear no one could get to this life saving equipment. This is a retirement community and you would certainly expect more. Not to change the subject BUT I hate going to the square. I push my husband in a wheelchair. There are many times we are heading one direction and have to do a Uturn because there is no handicap access...no way onto or off sidewalks. Are you kidding me? In a village full of old people? This community is this old and these serious problems have never been addressed? I am so happy this is NOT my primary residence.
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Take a walk around LSL. You'll soon all the sidewalks are not accessible on both ends. Also, notice how few Handicapped parking spaces there are???? Absolutely insane. Yes, this is just a get away place for us. We have an oceanfront home a few hours away. We bought here for the lifestyle but found it's too crowded to really enjoy. We do have a lot of friends who have second homes here - for the winter golf. I personally feel it's far too crowded and it's beginning to show it's got the same problems as any other community out there - thieves, sex offenders, drug and alcohol abuse...
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Serious concerns expressed above by this new poster.......
I read both posts with total understanding of what she was trying to convey. As we all age, at some time or another, everyone will confront problems of mobility, or perhaps an unexpected medical emergency..........in a retirement community of oldsters (or I used to assume they were all old people like us), ease of access to all venues , along with handicapped parking, should be a top priority.

Anytime a place gets too big, the little things , the important things, get lost along the way.

Hopefully, all turned out well for the injured individual, as the ambulance did seem to arrive in an expedient manner.

To the original poster, I knew what you meant to convey........
We too, have been weighing apples vs. oranges, such as the desirability of a much smaller community on the oceanfront which has all of the services one would desire, plus less crowded conditions with lower population.......vs. the original dream of The Villages as a retirement destination. Perhaps we waited too long and are already too old. Que sera sera.......

To begin I suggest you go and reread post #12.
You have jumped to conclusions on both instances.
We do not know the full story regarding the AED issue. To find fault with the whole villages is wrong at this point. There is a very active AED program with many in place and more on the way. Did you know that? See post 25.
The issue of handicapped parking spaces has been brought before on TOTV and issue was responded to by the District Manager. The result was the law has been followed. Did you know that? What makes you think it is not a high priority?
Important things getting lost...........based on what?
It is easy to judge from afar with little first hand knowledge.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

To begin I suggest you go and reread post #12.
You have jumped to conclusions on both instances.
We do not know the full story regarding the AED issue. To find fault with the whole villages is wrong at this point. There is a very active AED program with many in place and more on the way. Did you know that? See post 25.
The issue of handicapped parking spaces has been brought before on TOTV and issue was responded to by the District Manager. The result was the law has been followed. Did you know that? What makes you think it is not a high priority?
Important things getting lost...........based on what?
It is easy to judge from afar with little first hand knowledge.

Abster was the one who wrote what you quoted me as saying.
I was replying to them. I could sympathize with those who have lack of mobility, or those who were struck on the golf course.

Senior Citizen DID NOT say what you attribute that quote to.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Abster

I hope and pray this gentleman will be okay. I am also saddened to hear no one could get to this life saving equipment. This is a retirement community and you would certainly expect more. Not to change the subject BUT I hate going to the square. I push my husband in a wheelchair. There are many times we are heading one direction and have to do a Uturn because there is no handicap access...no way onto or off sidewalks. Are you kidding me? In a village full of old people? This community is this old and these serious problems have never been addressed? I am so happy this is NOT my primary residence.

And Senior says "a retirement community of oldsters"??????

Excuse me, but these two labels making TV sound geriatric and decrepit have NOTHING to do with us and our 100 or more CYV neighbors, and they have nothing to do all other neighborhoods with which we are familiar. TV is marketed as an 'active adult community', and that is what it is.

There is gross mischaracterization going on in this thread.

[buggyone]

It would be of concern IF there was an AED by the starter shack (or nearby vicinity) and it was locked and no one had a key nor was trained in how to use it.

As I stated earlier, I believe a condition of employment as a starter or golf ambassador would be to trained in how to use the AED - and a key kept in the starter shacks.

As far as the handicapped curbs around Lake Sumter Landing, they are at every corner.

Try telling the golfers on any of the executive or championship golf course, the pickleball courts, the platform tennis courts, the softball fields, or the tennis courts that they are living in a village full of old people or a retirement community of oldsters. Maybe The Villages is not the right place for some people as The Villages is an active lifestyle community. Think about it.

[billethkid]

The too crowded and too big excuses are just biased opinions by some of the very few who may prefer and probably should pursue another retirement venue.

I wonder what size cities they might be from. And what kinds of non busy places they might prefer.

To each his/her own but please don't knock what most of us enjoy!