[buggyone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The too crowded and too big excuses are just biased opinions by some of the very few who may prefer and probably should pursue another retirement venue.

I wonder what size cities they might be from. And what kinds of non busy places they might prefer.

To each his/her own but please don't knock what most of us enjoy!

This is one of the few times I fully agree with you.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The too crowded and too big excuses are just biased opinions by some of the very few who may prefer and probably should pursue another retirement venue.

I wonder what size cities they might be from. And what kinds of non busy places they might prefer.

To each his/her own but please don't knock what most of us enjoy!

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

And Senior says "a retirement community of oldsters"??????

Excuse me, but these two labels making TV sound geriatric and decrepit have NOTHING to do with us and our 100 or more CYV neighbors, and they have nothing to do all other neighborhoods with which we are familiar. TV is marketed as an 'active adult community', and that is what it is.

There is gross mischaracterization going on in this thread.

Abster said "A village full of old people".
I did say "A retirement community of oldsters".

We are 69; our friends are all 71 and older (to put things in perspective). Our five grandkids range in age from one year old to twenty years old. 1, 3, 9, 12, 20. With more babies to come.

Our adult children are 42, turning 43, and 46. Does that put things in perspective? I guess it all depends on where one is coming from. Our daughter's spouse could retire now to TV.

We will be celebrating our 50th wedding anniversary next year.
To me, that's a lot of aging...........ha ha.

Eternal youth would indeed be wonderful; no one would turn it down, for sure.


Unfortunately, life marches on and what one "was" at 55, they may no longer be at 75 or beyond. I would imagine that many who bought in THE VILLAGES at its inception might be "on in years" by now. Wouldn't they be the elders and the oldsters? I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that many residents are up there in years; that not ALL are the younger set.


Not having government jobs, all of our friends and neighbors retired at age 66......now pushing 70. We definitely are NOT the younger crowd. Been there done that. Fondly remember our 40's, 50's, 60's.


70 is different. 80 is different, as is 90 and beyond. Have cared for aging parents; know what it's really like. I live in the real world.....and have no delusions or illusions of eternal youth, except in mind and heart. One can always remain "young at heart". A gift.


A bit of levity.................


Does anyone remember the movie Soylent Green???? Remember the ending?????


Anyone who remembers the ending, please post it. Hope we don't end up that way. For one, I've always enjoyed our elderly neighbors and friends. They had a lot of wisdom and life experience which the youngsters have no clue about.........yet.
As my mom would say, "youth is wasted on the young"......she had great humor, as did our geriatric friends whom we invited to all of our house parties. We love old people. They have lived life and know what it's all about.....including the aging part.


But the worse scenario is someone on in years, trying to act or look young or "cool".

SOYLENT GREEN

'""In 2022, Earth is overpopulated and totally polluted; the natural resources have been exhausted and the nourishment of the population is provided by Soylent Industries, a company that makes a food consisting of plankton from the oceans......."SUPPOSEDLY".


''''A tale of Earth in despair in 2022. Natural food like fruits, vegetables, and meat among others are now extinct. Earth is overpopulated and New York City has 40 million starving, poverty stricken people. The only way they survive is with water rations and youeating a mysterious food called Soylent. A detective investigates the murder of the president of the Soylent company. The truth he uncovers is more disturbing than the Earth in turmoil when he learns the secret ingredient of Soylent Green. ''''


''''In the year 2022, earth's face has completely changed. New York's population, for example, has grown to 40 million mouths to feed. The greenhouse effect has risen the temperature into nearly unbearable regions, and the people are kept in the cities by law. The rich live in separated luxury apartments (with women as part of the rented furniture) but also experience the lack of natural food. Strawberries are at $150 for a glass of them.""


""Police Detective Thorn investigates a strange murder case of an official from the Soylent corporation, which feeds the masses with a palette of their creations: Soylent red, yellow, or, even more nutritious, green.''''


"""Thorn's investigation into Simonson's murder leads him to uncover a conspiracy in the Soylant company and the Soylent Green food product itself, where Thorn uncovers the horrible truth about Soylent Green. """"




What is this horrible truth???? I know. Do you? Still remember seeing that movie.


I'm pretty sure that the "oldsters" can live happily and peaceably alongside the "youngsters" in T.V.


When I was in my 40's and 50's , I truly had no clue what "slowing down" meant (as said by our older relatives and neighbors).
I feel guilty now for expecting more of them than was physically possible at their stage in life. Been there, done that.


May you live 100 years........


　


　








　

[JourneyOfLife]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

And Senior says "a retirement community of oldsters"??????

Excuse me, but these two labels making TV sound geriatric and decrepit have NOTHING to do with us and our 100 or more CYV neighbors, and they have nothing to do all other neighborhoods with which we are familiar. TV is marketed as an 'active adult community', and that is what it is.

There is gross mischaracterization going on in this thread.

To me it this sounds like an over reaction to an accurate descriptor.

The word "oldster" is not a pejorative.

oldster - definition of oldster by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_age#Definitions

Matter of fact, it is a very accurate description.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vi...a#Demographics

I don't think the substitute description in your post is an accurate meaning of the word....

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by JourneyOfLife

To me it this sounds like an over reaction to an accurate descriptor.

The word "oldster" is not a pejorative.

oldster - definition of oldster by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_age#Definitions

Matter of fact, it is a very accurate description.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vi...a#Demographics

I don't think the substitute description in your post is an accurate meaning of the word....

Great Post:

One part mentioned:
Official definitions

""Old age comprises "the later part of life; the period of life after youth and middle age . . . , usually with reference to deterioration"

When old age begins cannot be universally defined because it shifts according to the context. The United Nations has agreed that 60+ years may be usually denoted as old age,and this is the first attempt at an international definition of old age. However, for its study of old age in Africa, the World Health Organization (WHO) set 50 as the beginning of old age. At the same time, the WHO recognized that the developing world often defines old age, not by years, but by new roles, loss of previous roles, or inability to make active contribution to society.

Most developed Western countries set the age of 60 to 65 for retirement and old-age social programs eligibility. However, various countries and societies reckon the onset of old age as anywhere from the mid-40s to the 70s. Furthermore, the fact that life expectancy beyond 80 has become widespread has shifted definitions of old age."""

We remember being middle aged, in our 40's when our kids were at university and later married.....hubby is now 69 and I turn 69 next month. Having the grandchildren come along certainly set the record straight as far as who were the "oldsters" in our family. Our parents are all gone, our aunts and uncles are all gone. To pretend that we are the younger generation would be crazy.

I can still remember when we were in our late 20's and 30's, one lady in her 60's REFUSED to be called "Grandma" and DEFINITELY WOULD GET IRATE if anyone called her a "senior citizen"......
Go figure. I've been called Grandma, grammy, gram, nana, you name it. I'll take them all, proudly. And we are young at heart and young in spirit. WE even watch THE VOICE.

Thank you for your post.

P.S. 40 IS MIDDLE AGED AS IT IS HALF OF 80.......NOT EVERYONE SURVIVES TO 80.
I have two middle aged adult children........we are definitely NOT physically in their league and don't pretend to be.

[Moderator]

Please return to the original topic ... an incident where a person was in distress and access to an AED was not available.

Discussions about age, aging, etc are fodder for a new thread.

Thank you.

Moderator

[DDoug]

Dont know if anyone said this but what if the starters are not trained and if they miss use the AED they could possibly kill someone. Like one post never used it on a person that had a pulse. Everyone is quick to blame and be honest you have to be careful. Even pick some one up if they just fall could make a minor injury worse . Personally if I cant get up on my uwn call 911 and leave me on the ground unless of course there is immediate danger. Old saying Be careful what you wish for.

[jerseyvillager]

Make it simple. Starters unlock case in the am and lock it in the pm.

[mulligan]

Starters are trained to notify county dispatch, and see that help gets to the proper location. Period. End of training. Starters are NOT first responders.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by lovinganimals

hmm, I'm not a medical professional but I am trained in AED. I wasn't trained to use it on people who are conscious and have a pulse.-Kitty

I also questioned a doctor I work with about using it on a person who has a pulse and his response was to hook them up because the AED assesses their pulse and tells you if a shock is needed. I do nuclear stress testing and have seen people in V-fib and V-tach who are conscious and need to be shocked to bring them back to a normal rhythm. So having them hooked up to the AED is at least one way we can help them before EMS arrives. I am just glad I did not get to this man and have him be unconscious with no pulse and NOT have an AED. Yes I could do CPR, but I would not do breaths because his mouth was full of blood (but they have shown CPR to be helpful even without breaths) but nothing replaces an AED in that situation.
I will call Truman/Roosevelt rec center or the appropriate people and inform them of the situation as someone suggested.

Regarding use of breaths in CPR, the training NOW does not use breath at all.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Starters are trained to notify county dispatch, and see that help gets to the proper location. Period. End of training. Starters are NOT first responders.

I am very glad to hear this clarified. BY someone I have learned to trust. A reasonable person.

[John_W]

I just wrote a check for $120 to purchase 4 AED's for the Village of Tamarind Grove golf side. That's Southern Star Villas and Odessa Circle designer homes, 168 units total. We are going to have one at the front and back entrance to the villas and since Odessa Circle makes a complete loop around the outside of the villas, they will put the other two somewhere on Odessa Circle.

I was told that once you connect the AED to an person it will indicate what you should do or not do. We'll have residents who are trained in their operation, in fact Monday some are going to the Sarasota Fire Station for an introduction.

[gerryann]

Without reading through all these posts....what good are the AED's if they are locked up?

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by gerryann

Without reading through all these posts....what good are the AED's if they are locked up?

Within each neighborhood that purchases the AED, the "responders" will all have a key to the box housing the unit.

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Within each neighborhood that purchases the AED, the "responders" will all have a key to the box housing the unit.

But that doesn't help the person that needs it NOW. The person needing to grab the AED now has to find a person with the key. ......doesn't make sense to me that they are locked. They need to be used instantly. ( I'm not talking about this particular case, although it should have been in someone's hands in case he needed it)