[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Good post. Don't be intimidated out of here.

PRNewswire

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Sunnyatlast good info! Glacier is the company I have been in contact with. If you want the name of the company representative I have spoken to just send me a private message and I will give you his name and contact information. This way if you want to look into getting a chiller for your pool you can get a start by getting accurate data. You mentioned you were looking at a sport pool so that may need a different size unit.

Some other suggestions for others who want to look into their own pools to start by accessing interest and maybe taking daily temperature readings in your pool. The next step could be to write up a petition and list the cost of unit ($6,000 for installation and acquisition of unit for a neighborhood pool) and have people sign with their address and then you could present that to the local governing body. If anyone wants any contact information please don't hesitate to send me a private message. This is a free society we are allowed to put our own ideas and suggestions forward to the general community. If people agree they will accept our proposals. If they don't agree they won't accept them. End of story!

[twoplanekid]

What is the ideal temperature and some things to think about -> What is The Ideal Temperature For a Commercial Swimming Pool? - AquaCal Blog

[golfing eagles]

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

[K.C.Boyd]

I happen to love the warm water so there is no problem in my opinion I never go in the winter because the water is way too cold for me. Can not please everyone but it works for me and others at the pool I use.

[tuccillo]

The number of houses is actually more like 55,000. I could see something like this for the sports pools since lap swimming in "warm" water is less than ideal.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

The number of houses is actually more like 55,000. I could see something like this for the sports pools since lap swimming in "warm" water is less than ideal.

If that's the case, a one time $10 fee would cover it

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Sunnyatlast good info! Glacier is the company I have been in contact with. If you want the name of the company representative I have spoken to just send me a private message and I will give you his name and contact information. This way if you want to look into getting a chiller for your pool you can get a start by getting accurate data. You mentioned you were looking at a sport pool so that may need a different size unit....

...This is a free society we are allowed to put our own ideas and suggestions forward to the general community. If people agree they will accept our proposals. If they don't agree they won't accept them. End of story!

I really wasn't considering campaigning, petitioning or pushing for a particular sport pool to get a chiller or anything unique for a facility I use personally. I don't like that approach (telling the board and dept what to do/buy). I would never write our local school board, for example, and tell them to buy this, not that, HVAC system upgrade. They are the hired/elected professionals with the responsibility of doing feasibility studies and long-term planning for capital improvement and annual operating budgets. Plus I don't know what fiscal capability the board/dept. here have to implement a quick, easy system fix/upgrade if one is found.

I like to present facts when there is doubt and mockery of good people stating what they see and experience here.

I trust the developers, our CDD board reps, and the Rec. Dept. managers like Rohan know what they are doing when I write a letter to them, and when some of us present facts here that bolster our case we make to them....which I don't expect them to have fixed by next week.

I seriously doubt that the board and rec dept. would put any credence on the snide little quips, jokes and condescending insults thrown out here, or if the wise guys were to write that stuff in a letter or rant about how stupid other residents are in a phone call. These managers are professionals, busy with serious work, not kids looking for more taunts to throw out on the playground.

But I do think they would consider future sport pool pump system upgrades or pool heat pumps that reverse and chill, or whatever makes for more energy efficient and comfortable, even-temperature pool water.

After all, these mechanical and HVAC systems don't last forever. And heating from cold extremes in winter, and cooling from hot extremes in summer cost a lot more energy (and corresponding pool chemical costs in summer intense heat) than if even temperature were consistently maintained with more modern technology.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

OMG! That's (65,70) COLD! Even 82 is cool. Was this a typo, or did you mean she likes her "glass" of water 65-70?

[outlaw]

One possible temporary solution is to periodically stand under the poolside shower. The water is usually cooler than the pool water, and is refreshing. Especially if you like to lay around and/or sunbath at the pool. Also, morning is when the pools are cooler; but that's pretty common knowledge.

[NECHFalcon68]

It's all relative to individual experiences. We were used to no-higher-than-76 degrees at the Jersey shore, so when the solar guy told us we would want our pool heated to at least 80, we laughed. What we have learned in the past 3 years is that 84-86 is the ideal temp for us. Some of our friends prefer 88-89.

Unfortunately our pool water has been close to 90-91 the past week...but it doesn't keep us out of it...stand in the sun for a few minutes, it'll feel cool when you get in...

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

I really wasn't considering campaigning, petitioning or pushing for a particular sport pool to get a chiller or anything unique for a facility I use personally. I don't like that approach (telling the board and dept what to do/buy). I would never write our local school board, for example, and tell them to buy this, not that, HVAC system upgrade. They are the hired/elected professionals with the responsibility of doing feasibility studies and long-term planning for capital improvement and annual operating budgets. Plus I don't know what fiscal capability the board/dept. here have to implement a quick, easy system fix/upgrade if one is found.

I like to present facts when there is doubt and mockery of good people stating what they see and experience here.

I trust the developers, our CDD board reps, and the Rec. Dept. managers like Rohan know what they are doing when I write a letter to them, and when some of us present facts here that bolster our case we make to them....which I don't expect them to have fixed by next week.

I seriously doubt that the board and rec dept. would put any credence on the snide little quips, jokes and condescending insults thrown out here, or if the wise guys were to write that stuff in a letter or rant about how stupid other residents are in a phone call. These managers are professionals, busy with serious work, not kids looking for more taunts to throw out on the playground.

But I do think they would consider future sport pool pump system upgrades or pool heat pumps that reverse and chill, or whatever makes for more energy efficient and comfortable, even-temperature pool water.

After all, these mechanical and HVAC systems don't last forever. And heating from cold extremes in winter, and cooling from hot extremes in summer cost a lot more energy (and corresponding pool chemical costs in summer intense heat) than if even temperature were consistently maintained with more modern technology.

Excellent points. Your idea of writing a letter is a good one. Maybe when they go to replace a pool heater they might install a heat pump that could cool a pool as well. Another suggestion might be to present some options to a local CDD for one particular pool as an experiment. I can see now that they will be the best judge of what needs to be done. It is always good to look at all the options before making a decision.

[Average Guy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm probably suicidal to jump in on this thread, but.....
You will never make 110,000 Villagers happy. I like my pool water about 82, which is what I set my heater in NY to. My wife likes it closer to 70 and doesn't mind 65. I had a professor in college who would not swim at Jones Beach after the water temp hit 60.
Personally, I think anyone who wants the temp over 90 should just buy a hot tub, and anyone who likes it under 70 should move to Norway. Split the difference, and 80 should make the majority (not all) happy
If chillers are needed to accomplish this, how about a TEMPORARY 1 year assessment (sorry, I used the "a" word) of $3/mo in the amenity fee = 36x 16000 homes=$576,000, which if the $6000 cost is correct = 96 pools. Might have enough left over to provide free SPF 376 sun block as well.
OK, I'll duck for cover now

I did not know that special assessments were possible. It would defeat the purpose of capping the annual percentage increase in our amenity fees based on the CPI if additional assessments could be made during the year.

[perrjojo]

Please don't cool my pool water. I like it just the way it is

[Average Guy]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Many of the people who are posting on this subject don't even use the pools. Some even have their own pools and don't use the neighborhood or sports pools. Anyone who has been in the Villages pools the past few weeks knows the water is too hot. It is definitely over 90 degrees. I wish all the jokesters and people who comment on everything would try looking at this issue seriously. We swimmers who use our local pools every day know how hot the water is.

I remember my father saying he would never get a car with air conditioning as you can open up those little vent windows in the car and direct air to the people inside. Cars don't even have vent windows anymore!

Don't fight progress. We could buy eight chillers and run them for two years for the $50,000 one CCD District is paying for the cut down oak trees! Why not spend the same amount of money and benefit eight village pools?

Off topic, but the $50,000 for the tree cutting is not being pad by just one CDD. That cost is being shared by all CDDs south of 466.

[sunnyatlast]

All this conjecture about who's going to increase our amenities fees or whatever grim reaper picture some want to paint!

Write to the District and Recreation Dept. at the contacts at districtgov.org .

Then trust that they will evaluate and decide future maintenance and system efficiency and comfort changes the way they have successfully done for decades.

Instead of trying to be a chief when there are too many Indians, or to be a cook with too many already stirring the stew, contact the decision makers to report what you see and experience, and might have learned here that forms a clearer picture of need.