[christine J Toft]

My family member also had a horrible experience. Totally misread X-Rays. And I do mean TOTALLY! Transferred to the hospital in Ocala for the care really needed and a much better outcome. Errors such as these can be life threatening. I could give other stories of experiences there..enough said.

[kendi]

Notice the number of people say they had a “bad” experience but don’t elaborate. Was it really bad or are they just a complainer? I know people who have good experiences there.

One thing TV us doing to improve healthcare is building the new medical campus south of the turnpike. It will be a research and teaching facility which I hear brings in the top doctors and the most up to date care. The goal (I read) is for it to be a top ranked medical facility.

Also, it is my understanding that the numbers you are looking at lag behind a couple of years. I have heard that since UF took over TV hospital care has improved significantly. Can’t vouch for that personally though since I’ve never been there.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by kendi

Notice the number of people say they had a “bad” experience but don’t elaborate. Was it really bad or are they just a complainer? I know people who have good experiences there.

Anecdotes are anecdotal...

[A-2-56]

Sure we would all like to have the best, but things don’t work that way.
You have decided to trust this data and that is great, one needs data to come to a decision.
If I were you and things are as you stated, just waiting for more deaths caused by horrendous healthcare, don’t move here. It is part of the package.
As they say, figures don’t lie but liars do figure. How the data is processed can be a means of screwing the results as many here have stated.

[Villages Kahuna]

TVRH is the worst rated hospital within 75 miles. I had a well-known primary care doctor tell me that if circumstances resulted in me waking up to find myself in TVRH, that I should call a cab and get out of there ASAP.

UF has announced that they intend to make TVRH a teaching hospital, bringing in 15 new residents every year beginning in 2024. Obviously, if there are residents, there has to be experienced doctors to teach them. The reason the program doesn’t begin until ‘24 is to give UF the time for an aggressive nationwide recruiting program to bring lots of high quality, experienced doctors into TVRH.

Their plan is based on statistics indicating that more than half of residents choose to practice in the state in which they did their residencies. They’re hoping that by offering residencies here, some of the residents will “stick” and choose to practice here. The plan better work out the whole idea of building a large teaching hospital in the south end of The Villages can’t work.

[BEETHOVENMIKEY]

We had very bad experience where our dad died at Leesburg and TVH and we swear we'll never go to either, even with management/owner change.
We've had several elective procedures done up at Ocala/West Marion Hospital Center on Rt 200, and we love them. It's well staffed, attitudes of staff is fantastic and we found the medical treatment great.
On our emergency medical directives that we carry with us and in the house, we specifically state we want to go to West Marion Hospital. It's only 35 minutes from us, here on the north side (compared to 15 minutes to TVH). So, not bad.
Yes...TVH (and Lessburg) has a higher death rate experience, but it's the BAD experiences of those that made it out alive that attribute to much of the bad ratings. It's going to take years to build up the confidence and favorable opinions (ratings) of the facilities

[justjim]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

A higher percentage of older people typically means a higher percentage of sicker people, which typically leads to a higher percentage of "less than desirable outcomes"...

This explanation is spot on IMHO.

[eschiavo]

AGE SHOULDN’T DETERMINE THE QUALITY OF CARE !!! A few years ago they were rated a 1 and one of the worse hospitals in the US. If I can find the article will post it. A Few weeks ago was in West Marion hospital the care was remarkable and top notch. You don’t know what excellent care is until you experience it. Of the two hospitals Leesburg is somewhat better. Don’t think Shands was able to turn the care around due to staffing problems. On the positive side and in all fairness there are some good nurses who really do care 👍…we just need more of them.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by eschiavo

AGE SHOULDN’T DETERMINE THE QUALITY OF CARE !!! A few years ago they were rated a 1 and one of the worse hospitals in the US. If I can find the article will post it. A Few weeks ago was in West Marion hospital the care was remarkable and top notch. You don’t know what excellent care is until you experience it. Of the two hospitals Leesburg is somewhat better. Don’t think Shands was able to turn the care around due to staffing problems. On the positive side and in all fairness there are some good nurses who really do care 👍…we just need more of them.

If only that were true, but it's not.
When the metrics that CMS uses to measure "quality" of care,(and the validity of that measurement is a whole different discussion), is dependent on mortality and readmission data, age plays a huge role in the "rating". You will also find that large inner city public hospitals rate very low as well---because the patient population in their catchment area generally presents with more advanced disease, they are less likely to comply with follow up instructions and visits, and have multiple other co-morbidities and lifestyle disadvantages.

Not to dive into the CMS ratings too deeply, generally they have been outcome based on 4 conditions, usually CHF(congestive heart failure), CAP(community acquired pneumonitis), CVA (stroke), and sepsis(bacteremia whether community acquired or nosocomial(hospital acquired)). They throw in some measurements of post-op complications, medication "errors" (which generally are not errors at all), and of course readmissions and mortality. The system depends on the hospital itself reporting their data to the government, and frankly some hospitals(generally the larger, better funded ones) are very adept at the manner in which they gather and report their data. Also hospitals that are more or less protected from state and CMS oversight whether for administrative or political reasons do better in ratings(the only examples I have first hand knowledge of is the NYC Health and Hosp Corp facilities. Since they were more or less exempt from NY state oversight, inspections and penalties, they generally didn't even bother to report their data, leading to a 0.00% complication rate and 100% compliance). Furthermore, there is generally about a 2-3 year lag before one could see any movement in these ratings.

Bottom line: These "ratings" are not necessarily an accurate measurement of the "quality" of a hospital

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

If only that were true, but it's not.
When the metrics that CMS uses to measure "quality" of care,(and the validity of that measurement is a whole different discussion), is dependent on mortality and readmission data, age plays a huge role in the "rating". You will also find that large inner city public hospitals rate very low as well---because the patient population in their catchment area generally presents with more advanced disease, they are less likely to comply with follow up instructions and visits, and have multiple other co-morbidities and lifestyle disadvantages.

Not to dive into the CMS ratings too deeply, generally they have been outcome based on 4 conditions, usually CHF(congestive heart failure), CAP(community acquired pneumonitis), CVA (stroke), and sepsis(bacteremia whether community acquired or nosocomial(hospital acquired)). They throw in some measurements of post-op complications, medication "errors" (which generally are not errors at all), and of course readmissions and mortality. The system depends on the hospital itself reporting their data to the government, and frankly some hospitals(generally the larger, better funded ones) are very adept at the manner in which they gather and report their data. Also hospitals that are more or less protected from state and CMS oversight whether for administrative or political reasons do better in ratings(the only examples I have first hand knowledge of is the NYC Health and Hosp Corp facilities. Since they were more or less exempt from NY state oversight, inspections and penalties, they generally didn't even bother to report their data, leading to a 0.00% complication rate and 100% compliance). Furthermore, there is generally about a 2-3 year lag before one could see any movement in these ratings.

Bottom line: These "ratings" are not necessarily an accurate measurement of the "quality" of a hospital

Agreed that the “ratings” are not necessarily an accurate measurement of the “quality” of a hospital. However, the horrific experiences of the many Villagers, who have had the unfortunate need to find out first hand the “quality” of the Villages Hospital, is an accurate measurement. I for one can not imagine it possible to have a worse experience than what I had at the Villages Hospital. I don’t need to look at some ratings metrics to come to the blatantly obvious conclusion that the Villages Hospital absolutely $ucks.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Vikingjunior

What's ironic is UF Shands in Gainesville is a excellent hospital.

Median age Gainesville = 26.3
Average Age The Villages = 71 or 72

Wonder where the better health outcomes will be?

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by kendi

Notice the number of people say they had a “bad” experience but don’t elaborate. Was it really bad or are they just a complainer? I know people who have good experiences there.

One thing TV us doing to improve healthcare is building the new medical campus south of the turnpike. It will be a research and teaching facility which I hear brings in the top doctors and the most up to date care. The goal (I read) is for it to be a top ranked medical facility.

Also, it is my understanding that the numbers you are looking at lag behind a couple of years. I have heard that since UF took over TV hospital care has improved significantly. Can’t vouch for that personally though since I’ve never been there.

If you read the Daily Sun it’s very good propaganda for TVH. Two years is an eternity waiting for better medical care.

[joelfmi]

Originally Posted by ChrisTee

What can be done about the very low 2 CMS rating for TVH hospital (UF)? I'd like to move to TV but can't figure out what is being done to raise it.

The CMS (Medicare) rating is based on health outcomes + is used across the US. It's on Medicare dot gov.

*Even if you had a good experience, the facts - the data for TVH are POOR. The facts are that many more people have very poor health outcomes at TV Hospital compared to hospitals across the USA.

Are you OK with low quality care/bad health outcomes per CMS? The infection rate is awful as are many other scientific, CMS measures of care/outcomes at TVH.

There are many smart people in TV. What if you or loved one need a CMS rated 3, 4, or 5 star hospital. Today - Now? Why shouldn't you have that basic option in TV - locally? The good life + fun of TV pales pretty quick if you or loved one suffers or dies due to lack of an average or better rated hospital in town.

CMS - Medicare provides a real picture of the quality of care TV UF hospital provides. It's not a good picture. There is no good excuse - how many TVers have suffered or died? Who's next?

Will the rating improve? I hope so! TV is otherwise a very cool place to be!

One of the most important reason for seniors to move to an area55+ community I think is health care for seniors. I could never buy at TV for this terrible reason. Most of the stuff said is made of smoke and mirrors. If you like golf and if possible to get a tee time and like cowds thats the place to buy otherwise move on.

[Bjeanj]

Originally Posted by joelfmi

One of the most important reason for seniors to move to an area55+ community I think is health care for seniors. I could never buy at TV for this terrible reason. Most of the stuff said is made of smoke and mirrors. If you like golf and if possible to get a tee time and like cowds thats the place to buy otherwise move on.

Based on what you said, it makes me wonder why you are even on TOTV. What’s your interest? I’m curious.

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by BEETHOVENMIKEY

We had very bad experience where our dad died at Leesburg and TVH and we swear we'll never go to either, even with management/owner change.
We've had several elective procedures done up at Ocala/West Marion Hospital Center on Rt 200, and we love them. It's well staffed, attitudes of staff is fantastic and we found the medical treatment great.
On our emergency medical directives that we carry with us and in the house, we specifically state we want to go to West Marion Hospital. It's only 35 minutes from us, here on the north side (compared to 15 minutes to TVH). So, not bad.
Yes...TVH (and Lessburg) has a higher death rate experience, but it's the BAD experiences of those that made it out alive that attribute to much of the bad ratings. It's going to take years to build up the confidence and favorable opinions (ratings) of the facilities

Sorry for your loss but you say he died at Leesburg AND TVH???