[patfla06]

Originally Posted by circletrack

Read the replaced article. It's all back to the previously announced 14,000 including Fenney. It's not an additional 20k. Someone got their math wrong.

That's still 28,000 more people on the roads.

The 14,000 homes are just the beginning!

[circletrack]

Originally Posted by patfla06

That's still 28,000 more people on the roads.

The 14,000 homes are just the beginning!

That I can't dispute. Just think it's crazy they can post a totally incorrect article, get everyone all riled up, then delete it and replace it with no mention of the error.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by patfla06

That's still 28,000 more people on the roads.

The 14,000 homes are just the beginning!

True, but there will also be more roads, just as there will be more amenities. I really can't envision hoards of residents of Fenny/Southern Oaks flocking to use Mulberry Rec Center, can you? And I doubt they'll eat up tee times at Walnut Grove either. As long as infrastructure keeps up with the population, the change should be minimal.

Also consider this: If they build 14,000 new homes, I'll bet they sell 14,000 new homes. This means there is a market for 14,000 new homes and someone will build them. I'd much rather the developers of TV build them than some unknown entity.

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by chachacha

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!

I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !!
Ya gotta love what they do!!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by circletrack

Read the replaced article. It's all back to the previously announced 14,000 including Fenney. It's not an additional 20k. Someone got their math wrong.

This is not a replaced article, it is a new article about the public hearing. I don't know why the original article is not showing on the online news but you can still read it by clicking HERE

As to where did the 20,300 number come from for just the new area, not including Fenney.. it comes from the document from the Wildwood city records see page 34-36

"The Villages of Southern Oaks The Villages (referred to under this policy as “The Villages” or “the Project”)..

The Project is approximately 4,518 acres ...


The Villages of Southern Oaks must develop consistent with the following requirements: ...

d) The following Project entitlements are planned: Non-Residential 1,681,000 square feet
Residential 20,300 dwelling units [my bold]
Government/Office 288,000 square feet "

And this description absolutely seems to say that this 4518 acres is approved for 20,300 dwelling units. I don't think the Morse attorneys make a lot of typo errors.

[patfla06]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !!
Ya gotta love what they do!!

Agree totally!

[l2ridehd]

I think the biggest issue is there is no plan for any more championship golf courses. The plan is to allow all those homes access to the current infrastructure of golf courses. There will be executive courses but no more championship ones. That will overwhelm an already difficult tee time access during high season. Fenny may never have golf cart access, but I bet this new area will. 44 will have a tunnel someplace.

Golf is probably the biggest draw we have to maintain home values. To make the same ratio with all these new homes they would need a minimum of 3 new championship golf courses. Today we have 12 with 110,000 homes. That's about 9000 homes per course. So with over 20,000 more homes, 24500 if my math is working, that's 3 more 27 hole courses with none in the plan.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

I think the biggest issue is there is no plan for any more championship golf courses. The plan is to allow all those homes access to the current infrastructure of golf courses. There will be executive courses but no more championship ones. That will overwhelm an already difficult tee time access during high season. Fenny may never have golf cart access, but I bet this new area will. 44 will have a tunnel someplace.

Golf is probably the biggest draw we have to maintain home values. To make the same ratio with all these new homes they would need a minimum of 3 new championship golf courses. Today we have 12 with 110,000 homes. That's about 9000 homes per course. So with over 20,000 more homes, 24500 if my math is working, that's 3 more 27 hole courses with none in the plan.

Agree, but how do we know there aren't any more championship courses planned? 8000 acres is a pretty big chunk of land, and the average 18 hole course takes 150-200 acres.

BTW, there are currently 110,000+ RESIDENTS, but only about 55,000-60,000 HOMES

[JoMar]

Won't be too long and those above 466A will be the Historic Side and above 466 an archaelogy dig

[l2ridehd]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Agree, but how do we know there aren't any more championship courses planned? 8000 acres is a pretty big chunk of land, and the average 18 hole course takes 150-200 acres.

BTW, there are currently 110,000+ RESIDENTS, but only about 55,000-60,000 HOMES

Correct on the homes vs residents so even twice as bad as my projections which says they would need 5 or 6 new championship courses.

I actually asked two different sales agents and their head of commercial development if there were any plans to add championship courses. The agents said no and the commercial guy said he was not aware of any but didn't rule it out. So probably possible but if those folks are not aware, than there certainly wont be 5 or 6. Maybe 1. Perhaps they will buy Continental CC.

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

Correct on the homes vs residents so even twice as bad as my projections which says they would need 5 or 6 new championship courses.

I actually asked two different sales agents and their head of commercial development if there were any plans to add championship courses. The agents said no and the commercial guy said he was not aware of any but didn't rule it out. So probably possible but if those folks are not aware, than there certainly wont be 5 or 6. Maybe 1. Perhaps they will buy Continental CC.

Even if they know, I'm sure they aren't allowed to say anything until the Family says they can.
I'm pretty sure the Villages will have our golf needs taken care of!

[l2ridehd]

I hope your right Bonny. However when making the announcement about these new Villages it would have been good marketing (which they are well known for) to include that in the announcement. And we do know for sure there are no championship courses in Fenny as those plans are already complete.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

Correct on the homes vs residents so even twice as bad as my projections which says they would need 5 or 6 new championship courses.

I actually asked two different sales agents and their head of commercial development if there were any plans to add championship courses. The agents said no and the commercial guy said he was not aware of any but didn't rule it out. So probably possible but if those folks are not aware, than there certainly wont be 5 or 6. Maybe 1. Perhaps they will buy Continental CC.

Yes, but my math says 14,000 homes are about 25% of the existing 56,000 homes, so maybe 3 championship courses would suffice. I also find that the developers plans are not really shared with the sales agents. I'd put more weight on what the head of commercial development says, but it sounds like he tactfully evaded the question. Waterfront and golf course lots are always in demand, and they do command a high lot premium for smaller lots, so it is only in the developer's interest to make more of the lots available.

[skip0358]

You know there is a ton of guess work and second guessing at this point. Attend the Wildwood meetings and hear what's said. Wait for the final plans. I agree with Bonnie rather see them do it instead of someone else. Maybe they're not done buying, maybe there are plans for more Championship courses. Who knows, maybe this will encourage some of the big box stores to get together and open somewhere closer who knows. whatever is done or planned just sit back and watch. I'm sure it will be well planned out regardless.

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !!
Ya gotta love what they do!!

I also agree with Bonny on this. I really feel for the people who live in this area now, but imagine what it would be like if one of the fly by night builders came in, broke ground, ran out of money and took off. No, if the area is going to be built up, then at least have The Village family do it right.

Neither Fenney nor this new area have any interest for me and I will probably never even bother to go look. I am perfectly happy with where I live and I hope new people moving into TV will feel the same about their choice of location and home.