[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

So if you don’t agree with a comment, it’s whining. Have no clue why Archie B equates with this matter…

I COMPLETELY understand the Archie B. reference. It was PERFECTLY applicable.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would NOT call it WOKE because that IS just a derogatory putdown. The US is in the beginning stages of accepting the fact that the population demographics of the US are changing. America is SUPPOSED to be a "MELTING POT" and has ALWAYS bragged about that TITLE. So why is it today that we are INCREDIBLY worried about the COMPLETELY UNSTOPPABLE future blending or melting of the races? DNA tests show that many Caucasians have African DNA and Genghis Kahn DNA in them.
........Woke is the past tense of aware. It means someone is awake and not sleeping.
.........Most YOUNGER people buying real estate will have NO problem adapting to the word PRIMARY for a bedroom. Words and language constantly evolve and there IS no stopping it. Just like America has evolved its demographic ethnic percentages. I would be fine with a TOTAL blending in the FUTURE.

Good points.

I recall back in the 1990s when the term "salad bowl" (as opposed to "melting pot") had a brief run as the descriptor du jour. It didn't last, primarily because I believe it ran so diametrically opposite of what America is, and always has been.

E Pluribus, Unum. America has always been a fractious, squabbling bunch of differences, but when the time comes, we band together. We've always done that. I certainly hope that we can continue to do so in the future.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

Not offended at all, just nutty WOKEsters forcing it down our throats on how to use words.
Why not say it the way your Mom and Dad used to say it, MASTER BEDROOM!
You can just get out of your Primary room and go vote in the Primary because it's a Primary concern to do so.

My mom and dad didn't call their bedroom the master bedroom. They called it their bedroom. As in "put this pile of laundry in my bedroom and that pile in your sister's."

Us generic new england suburbians didn't have the luxury of having a "master" bedroom. The term wasn't part of our vernacular. None of us in our neighborhood had walk-in closets and most of us didn't have a bathroom attached to the bigger bedroom in the house.

Even my grandparents, who were somewhat affluent and DID have what you call a "master bedroom" didn't refer to it as such. Their bedroom was their bedroom. Their attached bathroom was their bathroom. Their jacuzzi shower was known only as "the shower" even though there was a shower in the other bathroom as well. That other shower was known as "the other shower."

I think some people obsess way too much over words - and the people making the most noise over the obsession aren't the people you think they are.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by New Englander

When I want to sleep tonight, I'll go to my Master Bedroom and in the morning I'll make some Aunt Jemima Pancakes.

I can NOT comprehend the POINT there?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Yup.....too much "woke" stuff going on. I do understand why the use of the word "master" is frowned upon by the woke generation but I do not agree with any of that stuff. It is infuriating to see our history being erased.

History IS another thing that changes and evolves. If it NEVER changed then JAPAN would still be our enemy. I see a lot of people driving Hondas and Toyotas.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rsimpson

This is not a case of evolving language. This is part of the continued WOKE attack on our language and history. Our country, life, liberty, and freedom of speach are all a big deal.

Life has a way of changing - and on a continual BASIS. Older people have a tendency to resist change.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I disagree.
Most people read or use a word purely in context of the subject being discussed.
Far to many are looking to be offended by the use of any word despite the context.
Master, Primary, Main, Big, whatever, who gives a toss?
In context they describe the subject.
Far to many thin skins around today!

Apparently all the "anti-woke" people give a toss. It hurts their delicate sensitive feelings.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Mrmean58

The label changes were adopted by the national builders and realtor associations a couple years ago. It's not just a Villages thing.

However, it's taken the Villages a couple of years to catch up with the rest of the country. Unsurprising.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

Maybe that festering wound is festering and unhealed because some want to keep picking at it. After awhile it gets bigger and bigger and more infected. Just leave it alone and let it heal. Brainwashing people to believe they are racist when they are not?? There must be a special place in hell for people like that.

In order to make a conscious decision to let a wound heal, you need to be aware that the wound exists. If it itches - don't scratch it. You can't ignore it - because then you might bump against something and it'll open back up again. You have to acknowledge that yes - there is a wound here.

That's what "woke" means. Acknowledging that these things happened, recognizing that they were a symptom of the times they happened in, and that we have evolved since then.

That's all it means, and that's primarily what people who are "woke" are asking everyone to do. People who resist, fight, reject the idea that these things happened, that they were a symptom of the times they happened in, and that we have evolved since then, are stuck in a past they didn't even experience (since it happened before most of us were born).

[LuvNH]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I can NOT comprehend the POINT there?

I think it is kind of obvious - politically incorrect. But do not agree on the Master reference. We always called the "master" the original from which we made copies. But then, I'm old and have been around a long time and have no time for these modern changes to the beautiful English language we use.

Do you think all the other nationalities are going through this rubbish. What does woke sound like in Italian.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Odd, how the actual migrants feel about this.

Then we need to start calling "legal migrants" "legals." Not "migrants." Since it's SO important to call migrants who came here illegally, "illegals" then migrants who came here legally should be called "legals."

Let me know when that trend picks up.

Til then, they're ALL migrants, and immigrants. They have all come to live here- from somewhere else. Regardless of how they got here or their legal status once they get here.

Legal and illegal are conditions; they're adjectives. A person isn't an adjective. They're a noun. Migrant and immigrant are nouns.

Legal and illegal describe a person's status, not the person him/herself. They are not illegal. They aren't illegal immigrants. They're immigrants who have committed a crime by entering unlawfully. You don't call burglars "illegals" do you? Why not? They've committed crimes too. Do you call them "illegal inventory movers?" No? Why not? You're using the same type of terminology to describe people who move themselves from one place to another when they're not allowed to do so.

You're objectifying people, when you call them illegal immigrants or illegals. THEY are not illegal. They're 100% legitimately people who are allowed to be people. Their BEHAVIOR is illegal - but THEY - are not.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Agreed.

I would submit however that history is neither right nor wrong. It is merely a chronology of events. To presume to judge the actions of one time with the evolved (one would hope) moral sensibilities of a later time is in my opinion sophistic in the extreme. We can study history. Hopefully we can learn from history. But we can never change, or even more to the point, ERASE history. To do so is a distinct disservice to everyone.

We can't learn from history if our teachers are not allowed to teach it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I have read some of Machiavelli's works. I have two BAs. One in Philosophy and the other in History. His writings came up every so often. And I have a Masters in Librarianship and Information Management. Then a law degree where his work also came up in some of the classes.

Shucks, that is truly impressive. The US could use MORE educated people. I mean sincerely!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

I think it is kind of obvious - politically incorrect. But do not agree on the Master reference. We always called the "master" the original from which we made copies. But then, I'm old and have been around a long time and have no time for these modern changes to the beautiful English language we use.

Do you think all the other nationalities are going through this rubbish. What does woke sound like in Italian.

If you scroll up to the 1st or 2nd page of this thread, you'll learn that the term Master Bedroom was NOT changed as a result of political correctness. Rather, it was changed to better describe the layout of the homes. At one point in architectural history, a Master Bedroom was the room that had the walk-in closet and either "half-bath" or "full bath" within the suite. It was - an actual suite. At another point, in different types of construction, the Master Bedroom referred only to the biggest bedroom in the house, regardless of whether or not it had a bathroom or walk-in closet.

Then came the McMansions, which had multiple large bedroom suites, and were advertised as having "two master suites." Well that just makes no sense, from a semantics point of view. There can be only one master, that's what makes it a master. If there's more than one of them, then neither of them are a master. They're just big bedroom suites. But that doesn't really sound great when you're advertising.

So they decided that "Primary" would be a great word to use, when referring to a large bedroom suite in a house with more than one large bedroom suite. Now both of them can be big bedroom suites, neither of them has to be "the master" but one of them can be featured more prominently. Maybe it has a vaulted ceiling and the other doesn't. Maybe it had a bay window with window seat and the other doesn't. Maybe it has an ocean view and the other doesn't. There's nothing about it that makes it more masterful than the other room. It's still just a big bedroom suite. So it's the primary one.

That's why the switch. It just makes more sense.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Then we need to start calling "legal migrants" "legals." Not "migrants." Since it's SO important to call migrants who came here illegally, "illegals" then migrants who came here legally should be called "legals."

Let me know when that trend picks up.

Til then, they're ALL migrants, and immigrants. They have all come to live here- from somewhere else. Regardless of how they got here or their legal status once they get here.

Legal and illegal are conditions; they're adjectives. A person isn't an adjective. They're a noun. Migrant and immigrant are nouns.

Legal and illegal describe a person's status, not the person him/herself. They are not illegal. They aren't illegal immigrants. They're immigrants who have committed a crime by entering unlawfully. You don't call burglars "illegals" do you? Why not? They've committed crimes too. Do you call them "illegal inventory movers?" No? Why not? You're using the same type of terminology to describe people who move themselves from one place to another when they're not allowed to do so.

You're objectifying people, when you call them illegal immigrants or illegals. THEY are not illegal. They're 100% legitimately people who are allowed to be people. Their BEHAVIOR is illegal - but THEY - are not.

A distinction without a difference. It is the CONNOTATION, not the denotation, that matters here. Especially to those Americans, such as my wife, who came here through the front door. They are American citizens who are also legal migrants. But they are Americans first. The illegals in this country who come here from other countries by illegal means are, by definition illegal aliens, but ILLEGAL first, last and always. They are not American citizens. They have nothing in common with the former legal migrants who became American citizens except that they came here from another country. They are living here in contravention of our laws. To use descriptors that intentionally gloss over that fact is to be--well--woke. And as such, to be furthering rather than helping to solve the problem.

It may not matter to those who have little or no direct experience with the topic other than a cursory acquaintance on, say, message boards, but it does to those involved with it directly. Sophistic word games merely cloud the issue.