[Larryandlinda]

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Linda and Larry,
You do not use air conditioning in your car? Why? I presume you do use A/C in your home in the hot times of the year. I came from Maryland and know the summers are more humid than in The Villages.

We use it on the hiways at higher speeds when open windows are a nuisance and it's in the 90's/100's

Around TV (when we're not on bikes) we prefer to get used to the ambiant outside temps and it's helped us grow tolerant and fond of those peaceful low traffic summers when we visit (and have our own place that's usually un rented)
Before we bought we came during the week of longest day (June 21) and the hottest weekend (late august) to see how it was and passed the test.

We figure we gotta go outside sometime, so crawling from an AC'd home to car to stores was too many changes, so we just try to acclimate.

We crank it up at night in the summers if it's over 85 in the house.

we went with fans and shade control in Md all summer, 2010.
We draw air in at night till it's cooler and close then shades and windows to keep it in til it - it can last til the evening if it doesn't get near 100
Fans are our friends.

and when we have guests in the home or car, they are in charge, they get it their way with no guilt ever.

This has been helpful, too:

http://www.wikihow.com/Sleep-Comfortably-on-a-Hot-Night

We have friends in a premier in TV and they are non-climate controllers too.
Older than us, dog owners, and bicyclers.
A big reason for them and us is that since biking is what we love, it makes going out easy.

Oops, sorry this was sooo off topic, but sometimes those things happen as we get forgetful.
besides, as much as we care, topicality can go as astray (as the ball did so many times the one time we went golfing in the 60's)

L and L

[l2ridehd]

I would have also gone back in the store. People that block traffic to wait for a parking spot are inconsiderate at best, and think only of themselves. Now maybe she had a sprained ankle or something. Not enough for a handi-cap sticker but enough to want a closer spot.

L&L I live in VA and seldom use home AC for the same reasons. I live on a very wooded lot and use ceiling fans and a whole house fan at night. It brings the house down to a very comfortable temperature and by closing the windows and shades in the AM it stays there most of the day. Last summer which was hotter then usual, I used it maybe two weeks. A couple summers ago when it was just average I never turned it on. THe trees, shade, fans and managing there timing goes a long way to keeping the house cool and having fresh air to breathe all the time. In and around DC I do find it is needed in the car as traffic is so bad your usually sitting waiting a lot and it does get hot without the AC.

[Larryandlinda]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

I would have also gone back in the store. People that block traffic to wait for a parking spot are inconsiderate at best, and think only of themselves. Now maybe she had a sprained ankle or something. Not enough for a handi-cap sticker but enough to want a closer spot.

L&L I live in VA and seldom use home AC for the same reasons. I live on a very wooded lot and use ceiling fans and a whole house fan at night. It brings the house down to a very comfortable temperature and by closing the windows and shades in the AM it stays there most of the day. Last summer which was hotter then usual, I used it maybe two weeks. A couple summers ago when it was just average I never turned it on. THe trees, shade, fans and managing there timing goes a long way to keeping the house cool and having fresh air to breathe all the time. In and around DC I do find it is needed in the car as traffic is so bad your usually sitting waiting a lot and it does get hot without the AC.

Good for you.
We like it stuck in traffic as well, but you see, about 6 years ago.... a horizontal steel pole fence post found its way into the grille of our van....it pushed its way almost into the engine block

we got a radiator core but opted out of the $1500 AC repair if only the fence would have warned us it was coming.

you probably like to get used to the outside if you're a biker too.

Our air cooled 1950 scooter hates heat and standing still she gets a little smoky on a hot day.
We avoid traffic and parades as a result


L and L

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by gongoozler

If someone is tottin a gun in the Villages then they have lost their marbles! This has to be the safest place in the U.S.

Is it the safest place just like we are a "gated" community? People carry guns for the same reason people wear seat belts. Does anyone take off their seat belt when they are on "safe" streets with no other traffic. Take a look at the crime statistics for your county and you may be surprised to learn your odds of being a victim of crime. Florida's crime rates were a shock to me as I looked at the various counties statistics before I made up my mind where to move. I lived in NJ and our crime rate was lower than all of the places i looked at in Florida.

As I am fond of telling people here, even criminals retire and go to Florida.

[getdul981]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Is it the safest place just like we are a "gated" community? People carry guns for the same reason people wear seat belts. Does anyone take off their seat belt when they are on "safe" streets with no other traffic. Take a look at the crime statistics for your county and you may be surprised to learn your odds of being a victim of crime. Florida's crime rates were a shock to me as I looked at the various counties statistics before I made up my mind where to move. I lived in NJ and our crime rate was lower than all of the places i looked at in Florida.

As I am fond of telling people here, even criminals retire and go to Florida.

Vinny - I agree 100%, but if the criminals are truly retired, that solves the problem, doesn't it?

[BobKat1]

Originally Posted by getdul981

Vinny - I agree 100%, but if the criminals are truly retired, that solves the problem, doesn't it?

Maybe some retire from full time work and just do it on a part time basis.

[graciegirl]

I don't want to P** off the gun carriers here in TV but the need for a gun here is NON existant.

[redwitch]

I've seen comments on this thread and threads in the past stating that the gun toters honestly believe their friends and neighbors will be grateful that they carry should the need arise. Frankly, I don't get it. I carry. Sorry, if your home is getting burglared, I'm not going to kill someone to protect your property. If you get into an altercation and no weapon is in sight, I'm not shooting someone. In other words, the only way I'm pulling a gun out is if someone is in true danger of getting killed (not hurt, KILLED). I was taught to aim for the heart and head and I'm very accurate, whether a moving target and one that is still. I'm not going to try to wound someone, I'm going to do my best to kill them and, if I'm going to do that, then I better have a dang good reason for using that weapon. So should any other gun owner.

Few social workers carry and they go into some seriously bad areas and they're not the most popular people in those areas. I used to deliver food for Project Open Hand in Oakland and I would deliver in some pretty bad gang-infested, drug dealing neighborhoods, including the Avenues, Oakland West and even into Richmond. I never had the need for a gun.

What frightens me is that so few are truly trained and I really don't want them "helping" me if the need should arise. The odds are just as high that they'd wound my stalker and get him angrier or, worse, hit me as stop him from hurting me. Just because you carry doesn't mean you have a clue or the wherewithal to do what is necessary if the need should arise.

So, if you have a need to carry, know how to use your weapon properly, understand you are carrying to kill (not threaten, not gesture, not wound), then carry whether in TV or not. A gun can be a useful tool regardless of where you are. It can also be a great instrument in demonstrating exactly how stupid you are (like showing a gun because someone is keeping you from readhing your destination while waiting for a parking space or getting "your" parking space). Treat it with the respect it deserves. Better yet, treat others with respect and maybe you'll never have the need for that gun you so proudly carry.

(Boy, do I have a lot of soapboxes, but this is a true biggie for me.)

[nitehawk]

I agree with you -- maybe a good marketing tool would be a free gun for everyone who buys a new house in TV - then all people will be equal - i dont think i will conceal mine - Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - check it out--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nd-killed.html

[Larryandlinda]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

I agree with you -- maybe a good marketing tool would be a free gun for everyone who buys a new house in TV - then all people will be equal - i dont think i will conceal mine - Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - check it out--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nd-killed.html

thanks for posting that article.
it is one of thousands.
Socio-scientific studies are numerous as well, but it's a tough argument to make with a gun fan - they have strong wills and are backed by a strong
lobby.
Fortunately people like Red are responsible according to what we read here.
She knows just when she would need it. If she were threatened.

But we have always wondered something. Drawing and discharging are human-, not computer-controlled. Powder can project lead faster than judgements can be made.

So lets hypothetically say.... someone's up to something.
Altercation, robbery, whatever.
The responsible, trained, law-abiding gun carrier senses/feels/knows/assumes that there's 'life-not-just-injury' being threatened. Maybe the perp reaches for the 'heater', and the vigilante does as well. So the perp was just messin' 'round and threatening only.

What's the call? ball or strike? Fair or foul? fielder's choice?
We're just asking....do you look for the pin moving, the fire from the barrel?
When do you make the choice to draw/fire?

Vigilante reaches, maybe draws.... then the perp feels threatened and blows you away or maybe wings you.

Then there are those situations when it's your own piece that gets used on you.
Remember, there are professional thugs out there better at what they do than what so many of the law-abiding toters can do.

It's just plain messy and that's all the arguing we will be doing.

We will forever feel for the friends we once knew who are gone from the effects of lead slugs - both their own and those of others.

L and L

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

I agree with you -- maybe a good marketing tool would be a free gun for everyone who buys a new house in TV - then all people will be equal - i dont think i will conceal mine - Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed - check it out--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nd-killed.html

sorry but your source is a crock. Stick with FBI stats and include them all, not just the ones that support your opinion.

Yoda

[redwitch]

One thing I was taught and learned from experience was that if a weapon (knife or gun) is drawn don't wait, take aim and fire. If the idiot was just foolin' around, too bad. As I said, I would be very slow to pull out a weapon without good reason. The circumstances where I would with no hesitation are (1) someone who had seriously injured me in the past came near me (there would be no chance of him hurting me again); (2) if I saw someone draw a weapon while in a heated altercation; (3) if I saw someone draw a weapon while committing a crime. As I said, if I pull it out, I'm firing immediately. I'm not going to give you a warning that I'm going to shoot, I'm not going to stand there and wait for you to pull the trigger, I'm shooting and I'm aiming to kill. A police officer can aim to disable, can (well, must) warn. A private citizen should not because the risks become too high if the "bad" guys are given a chance.

I was told repeatedly that if I'm going to pull my gun out, I dang well better be prepared to use it. I think I am. I hope I never have to find out but I do know I've gotten the best training I could, I keep as up to date on my skills as humanly possible. So, if the circumstances require me to do what is necessary, I think I can.

The people that frighten me are the ones with the attitude that pulling a weapon will deter someone else from bad behavior but they have no intention of pulling the trigger. That just gives a bad guy a chance to get the weapon and use it against you. Pull it out and use it or don't even acknowledge that you have a concealed weapon.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Larryandlinda

thanks for posting that article.
it is one of thousands.
Socio-scientific studies are numerous as well, but it's a tough argument to make with a gun fan - they have strong wills and are backed by a strong
lobby.
Fortunately people like Red are responsible according to what we read here.
She knows just when she would need it. If she were threatened.

But we have always wondered something. Drawing and discharging are human-, not computer-controlled. Powder can project lead faster than judgements can be made.

So lets hypothetically say.... someone's up to something.
Altercation, robbery, whatever.
The responsible, trained, law-abiding gun carrier senses/feels/knows/assumes that there's 'life-not-just-injury' being threatened. Maybe the perp reaches for the 'heater', and the vigilante does as well. So the perp was just messin' 'round and threatening only.

What's the call? ball or strike? Fair or foul? fielder's choice?
We're just asking....do you look for the pin moving, the fire from the barrel?
When do you make the choice to draw/fire?

Vigilante reaches, maybe draws.... then the perp feels threatened and blows you away or maybe wings you.

Then there are those situations when it's your own piece that gets used on you.
Remember, there are professional thugs out there better at what they do than what so many of the law-abiding toters can do.

It's just plain messy and that's all the arguing we will be doing.

We will forever feel for the friends we once knew who are gone from the effects of lead slugs - bother their own and those of others.

L and L

I just don't know how to respond and not get banned.

Bless you.

Yoda

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't want to P** off the gun carriers here in TV but the need for a gun here is NON existant.

Really? Rather than just saying it, please give specifics on how you have arrived at that conclusion. I'm wondering if that's opinion or fact.

[cybrgeezer]

Originally Posted by Larryandlinda

That's always fun and educational.
Since we don't use AC, we always park under the closest tree if available and usually several spaces from the congestion - ez in/out, fewer dings, and a little exercise!
An extra row or two, ten more spaces....what's that, maybe fifteen seconds?

Chill!

L and L

I've heard it said that one mark of a true Floridian is that, in the summer, s/he parks in the shade rather than in the closest space.