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Dealer’s don’t care because people keep paying ridiculous prices.

The industry’s average price paid for a new vehicle in March was $45,818, up 5.5% from a year earlier, according to research firm J.D. Power.

[Stu from NYC]

This is why we purchased our last Toyota 18 months ago from a dealer 80 miles away.

They feel we are too dumb to consider buying cars elsewhere.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

I was at one time a new car salesman. Here is the way to buy a car. Go online and get the invoice price. Tell the dealer you will pay the invoice price only and they either agree or go to another dealer. Dealers can even sell under invoice and make money because there is a "hold back" of $xxx that the car manufacturer pays to the dealer after every sale. Our hold back was $750. Never ever give the salesman any cash as a good faith offering so he can show his manager that you are a serious buyer. They will try and hold your money hostage as they keep pressuring you to buy at their price.

Obviously you haven't bought an automobile in the last few years and don't bother to pay attention to the news and current events.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by pauld315

The dealers can't sell cars and their lots are overflowing to the point that even brand new cars are being sold at auction but they are still trying to cash in with these games ? I will never shop at a dealer that is doing these things.

Overflowing!

Premaket stocks: Auto sales are falling — but profits are surging. Welcome to the new normal | CNN Business

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

I was at one time a new car salesman. Here is the way to buy a car. Go online and get the invoice price. Tell the dealer you will pay the invoice price only and they either agree or go to another dealer. Dealers can even sell under invoice and make money because there is a "hold back" of $xxx that the car manufacturer pays to the dealer after every sale. Our hold back was $750. Never ever give the salesman any cash as a good faith offering so he can show his manager that you are a serious buyer. They will try and hold your money hostage as they keep pressuring you to buy at their price.

I consider the invoice to be a totally bogus document. If a car salesman hands me one, I just hand it back to him. I use Edmunds.com and KBB.com to determine the fair value. I make a take-it-or-leave-it offer, and give the dealer 15 minutes to decide. If they try to negotiate a higher price, I am gone immediately. I never haggle with a car dealer. And, there is no way that I would ever give cash to the salesman.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

One of the largest Dealers in the area is the worst at doing this. The big “J”

Purchased a ‘23 Passport from the big J; traded our ‘18 Traverse; knew what our trade was worth, knew what the cost of the Passport was; they came out and showed what they would do; I told them what my figure was and then we went back and forth for about another hour; we got the price we wanted.

[AJ32162]

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[djplong]

These are examples as to why I will never deal with another dealership for as long as I live. Their sales techniques are reprehensible and a throwback to the 1800s (and worse). Unfortunately, they have taken laws that were originally intended to protect them from their parent franchisor and tried to turn them into laws guaranteeing their existence.

There aren't many alternatives but I was lucky enough that a Tesla filled my needs (and more, as I found out). I went to the website, ordered the car, paid the price stated on the website and that was that. Legacy auto manufacturers like Ford & GM would love to get rid of their dealerships because they know the dealerships are giving them a bad name.

[LonnyP]

I tried to buy a used vehicle at Phillips Toyota. They have an additional $750 fee on every single car that is simply a profit fee that goes directly to the owner of the dealership. This is over an above all those other fees that you were speaking about. And, clearly over and above whatever profit they are already making.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

I have been looking at new cars the last couple of weeks and ran into issues from local dealers that I think the Village residents should know about so they can watch out for these expenses when purchasing a new or used car.Every dealer that I dealt with within a 200 mile radius adds on to the MSRP a package of STUFF (they call it a Florida package which includes window tint, wheel locks, etc..) and these packages (not shown on the window sticker) can be up to $6000. For example, I looked at a 2022 used car at a local dealer that had an internet price of $40k, but the price they gave me after a test drive out the door was over $53k, which included $8k of dealer Florida package and certified warranty expenses plus taxes and registration. What got me was the manager tried to justify the $8k charge saying that all the people in the villages have done well and they don't mind paying these charges. I told him that it doesn't matter if somebody is well off or not, nobody wants to be foolish and spend almost 17% of the cars value on items that cost practically nothing. Of course I walked. (See below for an example on different values for these fees).

At the same time, I was dealing with a Nissan dealer in Ocala that also had a 2022 new car for sale for an asking price of $39k. I asked for an out the door price and he gave me 1 that didn't include any Florida package, just dealer fee of <$1000, and taxes and registration. When I got this quote from a text message, I called the salesman and asked him about any extra fees and he had to ask his manager and when he came back, he told me they were going to waive the $5900 package that they normally put on the sale because it was a 2022 and they wanted it sold. I told him I will come in the next day. This is where it gets strange.
The next day, I go to the dealers website to get their address and I looked at the car listing again and the dealer raised the price of the car almost $5k. I told him we were talking about the original price of $39k the day before and he told me that the person who puts together the ad/webpage put in a Platinum Altima price instead. I told him that's funny, Nissan doesn't make a Platinum Altima any more AND the highest price for the deluxe Altima isn't close to the $39k they were advertising the car I was looking at. Then he told me "you got me on that". Then he told me they can sell any car at any price. I have all of this saved in emails and text messages, plus a snapshot of the webpage showing the original price of the car for $39k.

I ended up buying a new 2023 Nissan from Courtesy Nissan in Tampa which only charged me $800 for their package fee (which I thought was reasonable and they were upfront, they didn't try to hide it) and they were also the cheapest within a 200 mile radius.

Buyer beware.

actually it's pretty easy, this is also common in other parts of Florida, the reason is sucker syndrome. TV has long been known for it, and with the growth in central Florida you'll find it's like a rash here. Tampa is pretty good on prices, but you still have to be careful. Orlando is easy - anything in West Orlando is horrible, east is so-so. After as many years as we've been in this state I only have a specific amount of dealers that I will bother with. Remember the old saying there's a sucker born every minute....and these dealers hang on it.

[gatorbill1]

Originally Posted by daniel200

I have purchased 2 new Toyotas in the last 4 years. I have never been able to get a good price in Leesburg or Ocala. So I purchased in Tampa and Orlando.

Started looking again this month for a new Toyota again. I got prices from Tampa and Orlando. Then I walked into Toyota Leesburg and told them what I was looking for. I reminded them that they had been servicing my new cars for the last 4 years but I had never been able to purchase from them because of price.

They returned with a price $4000 higher than Tampa for the same vehicle. This included a $2,000 “market adjustment” fee and $2,000 in useless options they require … So it seems the local dealers feel no need to compete

I walked. I can have a very nice weekend in Tampa with the savings.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

There is nothing illegal about charging more than the MSRP. I don't think that person told you the truth.

AutoNation policy only - no sales over MSRP

[jerryss]

Costco auto program.

Go to the web site, choose your car. 3 dealers are notified. You call them and they give you their best price - over the phone.

Auto Buying ZIP Code Entry | Costco Auto Program

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by mikreb

Florida is currently the worst state to buy a car. Inventory is the lowest in Florida than any other state. Also, Florida law does not cap dock fees, whereas other states cap fees as low as $85.

You must watch these guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSWH-NkSRQ
They have lots of good info.

[Rinkerbert]

I tried buying locally at all three Cadillac dealers the worst with sullivan asking 30 K over MSRP. I ended up driving to North Carolina to get the exact vehicle that was on the sullivan car lot at MSRP.

[Flyer]

Last two vehicles, Honda and Toyota, went outside the bubble. Sanford and even down to Del Ray Beach. Saved combined over $8000 on what local dealers stated was there final price. Pays to shop around.