[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Jimmydoodlebug

If I've read it correctly, this post is actually profound.

How does the community treat its elders when they've become unable to live the lifestyle that's advertised and brought them to this community in the first place.

When advancing years force people out of their homes what should we do? The OP stated that he still lives within the boundary of The Villages but his situation implies that he doesn't own property here anymore.

It would be a nice gesture if there was a way to recognize his problem and give him vested status in the recreation areas that he paid for for so long, but the practicality is that in time there would be abuses. How long would you need to live here to qualify is one question, because I can imagine people moving here just to make the minimum deadline and then use the recreation centers for the rest of their lives.

One possibility is to simply charge the full amenity fee for those who live in any long term care facility that is within The Villages boundary if the facility manager can certify that the person is expected to live there permanently.

The OP is right, we're all headed in the same direction.

"Grandfather/Grandmother Rights" for former TV homeowners now required to live in the assisted living facilities that are actually on TV property, would be a simple, generous and decent action....that wouldn't hurt or take away benefits from anyone else.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Hank N Judy

So their is your answer. Have one of your friends get you an in area guest card it is good for one year. That person just has to be with you. Problem solved.

If I read the requirements as written, I can't figure out how a person of 88 years [the OP] could possibly be "son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild" of a resident.

I think this is a similar prob oft presented here from the singles who have the same Guest ID issue when trying to enjoy sharing a Villages ID required activity/event with a friend from outside of TV and within the tri-county area.

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by Hank N Judy

So their is your answer. Have one of your friends get you an in area guest card it is good for one year. That person just has to be with you. Problem solved.

I think you may need to re-read Post #14.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by kstew43

and thats the saddest of all.......such a darn shame.....

rules need to be changed......

And how would you propose the rules be changed?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by vorage

This is an eye opening post. My sympathies certainly lie with the poster. Some very good points have been made. This will likely impact a great many of us as we age.

There is at least one facility (Freedom Point- maybe others) whose occupants do have Villages ID. But I believe they purchase their unit and thus own property.

Keep in mind that there are strict HOA covenants about who and how people are allowed to use the facilities. These covenants are not changed willy nilly. The developer can't change them, nor can anyone at the Rec centers.

If you feel strongly, however, start the ball rolling with your representative and ask them to address the situation and make provisions. It will probably take a great deal of discussion to change, not only how to identify these individuals, but protect against the inevitability of those who choose to take advantage of any loophole that comes along.

Thank you for bringing this up. I hope the answer is more simple than I think.

There are no how covenants because there is no home owners association. Yes there are deed restrictions.
Who are these representatives you are directing people to contact?

[Marathon Man]

Is visiting old friends in their home not possible? Seems to me to be the easiest solution. No rule changes needed.

[billethkid]

As presented it does sound sad.

In actuality, life is cruel, and this is an isolated incident.

There are hundreds of isolated incidents of varying kinds that could all be solved with a rule change or waiver.

And then there would be what? A few isolated folks who "may" be happy. But a whole bunch of unhappy residents who have to follow the rules.

There is no way to please everybody. Once the they are no longer a resident but starts, there will be problems.

[Mikeod]

About a year ago, I was asked to bring a recommendation to the AAC to allow active duty service members to play the executive courses as a guest of a resident at no charge. The group I represented thought it would be easily controlled by using the active duty ID card to identify eligible people. To my surprise, it was opposed by Recreation. The primary reason was not opposition to supporting service members, but opening the door to an exception. If they made an exception for that group, there are certainly other worthy groups who could use that as an example to request similar privileges.

While it seems a reasonable exception to allow former residents access to facilities, where does it stop?

[dotti105]

My mom just moved into Buffalo Crossing ALF off of 466 behind Fresh Market. She moved here from Clearwater Beach. Because this facility is located in The Villages, the residents can get Villages ID cards.
Some of the residents she has met moved into Buffalo Crossings from their homes in TV. They have sold their homes, but still have their IDs because they remain "residents" while in the ALF.

I'm not sure about the ALFs outside TV. I would doubt that they have the same rights.

[rubicon]

When in HR we had a policy that only business related material could be placed on bulletin board. the rationale was that if you allowed free access to the board for one group then any group has a legal right....I know I know we are talking about people and not boards but it illustrates the nature of people and good intentions end up paving bad roads It is life. You start messing with the rules and you will open a Pandora's box

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by rubicon

When in HR we had a policy that only business related material could be placed on bulletin board. the rationale was that if you allowed free access to the board for one group then any group has a legal right....I know I know we are talking about people and not boards but it illustrates the nature of people and good intentions end up paving bad roads It is life. You start messing with the rules and you will open a Pandora's box

In a sucinct manner of speaking!!!

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

About a year ago, I was asked to bring a recommendation to the AAC to allow active duty service members to play the executive courses as a guest of a resident at no charge. The group I represented thought it would be easily controlled by using the active duty ID card to identify eligible people. To my surprise, it was opposed by Recreation. The primary reason was not opposition to supporting service members, but opening the door to an exception. If they made an exception for that group, there are certainly other worthy groups who could use that as an example to request similar privileges.

While it seems a reasonable exception to allow former residents access to facilities, where does it stop?

Just like the rule that allows married people to get two villages I.D's and single people only one, without allowing an extra I.D., if a single person wants to bring a guest outside of TV, to an event within TV.

As previous posters will say, dems the rules", no exceptions. I don't know what channels one would need to go through to make a reasonable request, without breaking TV system.

Please enlighten me.

For now, resigned to the fact that some things will never change.

[crabbyannie1]

Did I miss something? I thought that several of the assisted living facilities on Villages property did allow its residents use of TV facilities, inasmuch as they have golf car use, too. The impression when these facilities were being built is that they are owned by TV but built and operated by other companies. Being within TV proper, early adverts encouraged homeowners looking to move to assisted living facilities that this would allow them to stay in TV and make use of the amenities. Is this not true at all? Now I'm curious as I'm not getting any younger myself, and my hubby and I think this may be a viable alternative, as there are no condos or apartments within TV proper.

[jamblu]

This is truly incredible. What about the facility you're in? Are there cards/movies or any entertainment for you and your friends to do? Maybe it would be easier to get your facility to do more for the residents and I'm sure you're friends can visit you? I am saddened by the post. I would hope the Villages could create a center for exactly these elders to just enjoy company when they need it most. I'll now think twice about entering an assisted living facility here.

[rubicon]

Yest we forget the controversy involving Stone Crest which in my mind is still unresolved.

This is not an issue about I got mine and you ain't going to get yours or about exclusivity if you will. Its about a planned community with rules. Rules which state that for a resident holding a home deed and paying a monthly fee grants them amenities per household.

suppose you own a pool. You set rules conditions etc so that family and friends can share the joy of your pool. However, suddenly neighbors, then workmen begin showing up but you do nothing and then before long there are more people ....................

A common refrain you hear is I'm paying for it and I am going to get my share and what they mean is more than that . OK fair enough just don't do it by breaking the rules or fudging

Or in Stone Crest's situation, but the marketing people told me I could buy here and still have the village lifestyle

and then we have all that discussion from another thread about the rental policy here

I like rules I bought here with the understanding that rules would be enforced In fact I would have hesitated to move to Florida except for the written rules of TV

The only amenity I use is golf and I do that sparingly. Same with my wife;albeit she goes to one exercise class at the rec center

That Greek saying "moderation in all things" well we have people out there that will tell you they like a lot of moderation and the freer the better

I do not write without compassion and understand the virtue of reasonable accommodations.. but I am a pragmatist and understand that one day I too will have my license pulled, etc and will have to adapt to my situation..that's the human experience