[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by DougB

Just what we need, a 10 paragraph complaint about people complaining.


Other than that, how was your day today?

Thanks for your very well thought out input Doug . I found it to be very constructive . It does seem to be the goal here of regular " Posters " with the exception of Gracie for sure to immediately pillage anyone who does not embrace the negative side of living here .

You have my name , email and even my phone number if you might wish to hold a reasoned dialog .
Until then best wishes . Jim

[golf2140]

To many Blue States any more.

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by DougB

I actually didn't read the whole thing. I got bored around the trophy wife segment.

Thanks again Doug for your highly insightful comment . I am sure that you must donate much of your time to positive giving activities here in the Villages .
However based on your history of Posts I am going to " call you out " and say :
I don`t think so . Again you know how to find me . I would welcome a one on one discussion and thanks for all you do for others .

[bmarlo767]

I thought it was a very well thought out post.
I welcome a post that gets the point across with out sarcasm.

[bmarlo767]

I know It got deep quickly, To really finish it you have to think.

[swimdawg]

Fasten your seatbelts, gang....it's going to be a bumpy night...or is it a bumpy ride?

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

The crux of the hatred for the developer is in this statement:

"My God -- a woman posted on here this week that she had a problem with a driver who she insisted was on their way to a Sarah Palin autograph. Really!!"

Some loathe and hate the developer because of his partisan preferences.

And below is the context of that incident. It seems to be an "inconvenient truth" that the parking lot there by Barnes & Noble serves patrons to MANY businesses, from the hotel, to Cody's, to Coldwater Creek, Sherwin Williams, City Fire, Mercantile Shop, Japanese Hibachi.....and....the MOVIE THEATER. Maybe the driver was late in getting to a movie that starts at a specified time!!

This labeling and bigotry gets applied to the developer:

"I was now behind them and at the next intersection to Barnes and Nobel they pulled into the parking lot. It is unbelievable they were willing to cause an accident and hurt someone just to get to B&N to get Palin's autograph. This kind of aggressiveness for such a non emergency is tragic."

Near Accident

Sorry but your emotion gets in the way of your point or points . Please clarify for the benefit of all .
As I undertsand it you are angry at the Developer because an author on a " book tour " came to an independent bookstore for a promotion and you know 100% that a person who drove poorly was rushing to attend said promotion .
The logic transcends all of my education and life experience so I humbly apologize .
Since the bookstore in question is a major US corporation and operated under a lease but otherwise independent of the Developer how could you manage to connect the dots to such a conclusion . It would really be helpful to know .
On the other hand I am certain if the Bookstore felt that they could hold a book promotion which is paid for by a publisher for just say a book called " The Audacity of Hope " or say " Dreams of My Father " [ who I never knew } I am certain that they would have done so .
Help me out here . Book tours are paid for by the publisher not Barnes and Noble or The Developer .
Your logic is scary .

[Big O]

Buffalo Jim:
I think you are correct that the Developer takes an unusual amount of flack on this site. If you lurk like I have for the past year or so you see the same names fanning the flames. I divide them into three groups:

1. Political: Mr. Morse is big in one of the political parties and those of the other persuasion like to make everything including the weather his fault. (Of course they won't say it is political.)
2. Trolls: Their only purpose is to get people excited.
3. Those who don't like anything.

For the most part the people on TOTV are thoughtful and pleasant, and that is what makes it worth while.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Sorry but your emotion gets in the way of your point or points . Please clarify for the benefit of all .
As I undertsand it you are angry at the Developer because an author on a " book tour " came to an independent bookstore for a promotion and you know 100% that a person who drove poorly was rushing to attend said promotion .
The logic transcends all of my education and life experience so I humbly apologize .
Since the bookstore in question is a major US corporation and operated under a lease but otherwise independent of the Developer how could you manage to connect the dots to such a conclusion . It would really be helpful to know .
On the other hand I am certain if the Bookstore felt that they could hold a book promotion which is paid for by a publisher for just say a book called " The Audacity of Hope " or say " Dreams of My Father " [ who I never knew } I am certain that they would have done so .
Help me out here . Book tours are paid for by the publisher not Barnes and Noble or The Developer .
Your logic is scary .

I didn't get the same take you did from ilovetv's post. I thought she was giving an example of someone who blames/hates the developer because of his political leanings, not her own opinion of the developer. She quoted another poster as an example of how people take off on the developer.

If I'm wrong, maybe she will clarify.

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I didn't get the same take you did from ilovetv's post. I thought she was giving an example of someone who blames/hates the developer because of his political leanings, not her own opinion of the developer. She quoted another poster as an example of how people take off on the developer.

If I'm wrong, maybe she will clarify.

Ok . Thanks . I thought apparently incorrectly that she was the person who made such a " beyond the pale " conclusion and had been actively pushing her point .

My apologies .

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by Big O

Buffalo Jim:
I think you are correct that the Developer takes an unusual amount of flack on this site. If you lurk like I have for the past year or so you see the same names fanning the flames. I divide them into three groups:

1. Political: Mr. Morse is big in one of the political parties and those of the other persuasion like to make everything including the weather his fault. (Of course they won't say it is political.)
2. Trolls: Their only purpose is to get people excited.
3. Those who don't like anything.

For the most part the people on TOTV are thoughtful and pleasant, and that is what makes it worth while.

As no doubt you can tell from my comments that I more than find it discouraging and frankly if I had spent time on this site as I was considering making such a major move I might well have decided otherwise .
It seems that anyone who might feel contrary to the majority attitude of the Posters on this site that they quickly get trashed such that they decide to not participate . This I submit is the usual tyranny of the minority which has become so pervasive in our society .

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I didn't get the same take you did from ilovetv's post. I thought she was giving an example of someone who blames/hates the developer because of his political leanings, not her own opinion of the developer. She quoted another poster as an example of how people take off on the developer.

If I'm wrong, maybe she will clarify.

Thank you for understanding and clarifying that. You understood it as I meant it. I deleted it because it was so misunderstood by the o.p., to whom I sent a PM to clarify.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Thank you for understanding and clarifying that. You understood it as I meant it. I deleted it because it was so misunderstood by the o.p., to who I sent a PM to clarify.

No problem. I think because I am familiar with your posts that I was pretty sure what you meant.

[LndLocked]

I find it very interesting that anyone would think that anywhere near the majority of the posters on this board are anti "developer" .... IMO, the exact opposite is true.

In my experience, if anything is posted that is less than the developer walks on water .... the obligatory "you should just sell and move" posting is very near.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Ok . Here goes after living here for now 2+ years and observing this site everyday I am just going to put myself " out there " and say it .

I only can hope and pray that I remain strong enough to deal with what will be coming back at me .

I relocated here from the Buffalo Ny area just over 2 years ago . I learned about the Villages when an old friend had decided to retire here after losing his wife to cancer . He came here after a couple of years in Texas . I came down to help him move in in July of 2010 and discovered for myself that it was / is a most amazing place .

As a life long Northern resident I never really considered moving to Florida full time . However having recently gone through an ugly and painful divorce from my Trophy wife who is much younger and had no more use for me 2 weeks after I retired I felt that perhaps this would be the right place for me .

I was well known in my area and involved in many charities and was still very active but the pain was too much .

Had I been aware of this site and read it for any period of time I most likely would have thought several times about moving here . This is the truth .
Had I judged the Villages through the " prism " of constant complaining and warnings about this and that day after day I would have thought --- " humm this must not be what I seem to see through my eyes ".
Why are the majority of people who post here so miffed , unhappy , sarcastic and seemingly just so miserable ???
Why do so many people harbor such animosity toward the Developer ?
There are so many other choices of retirement communities in Florida . Why would those who seem to be so unhappy stay . Homes sell quickly here and prices have been quite strong so why stay ?
Why do so many people " pile on " when someone posts pretty much anything positive about the Villages . Why ?
Perhaps it is because the writers can do so anonymously . I can`t help wonder what the landscape on this site would look like if everyone had to post their real name .
Just for what it is worth " The Buffalo News " -- when it went online allowed people to post with a handle . The remarks were amazingly caustic . After a year of much ugliness they changed their policy and one could only post under their own name . And yes , one had to go through a process to verify their name before being allowed to post . WOW what a sudden change in overall attitude and the quality of the comments !!!!
NOw back to the Developer . I was in commercial banking for 35 years and a senior exec for 20 of those years . For a few years I was a lender and then managed a lending team . I can say with great confidence that the Developer could have easily spent half as much as they have on the amenities in the Villages and even pocketed more money than they have and are . Seriously , they could have taken a much lower road than they have elected to .
Sometimes I conclude that despite what people express that they feel about our country being a land of unlimited opportunity for those with a better idea and the willingness to take a risk that the majority do not really feel that way .
Because if they meant it they would not begrudge the Developer of " his / their " success . However on this site day in and day out they do .
Some people take a huge risk in business and fail . We generally all know that 80% of all new business ventures fail .
There is a reason why 95% of us elected to make our living by working for others . I had a saying while I was working my 60 hour weeks and it went like this : " The majority of people would like to see their children become an exec at a large company but the same people hate the success of large companies ".
Think about it for just a minute . How many who are so quick to trash the Developer and any other business operating here ever ran a business and put your living at risk ?
You should be sending this family thank you cards and saluting them . They are not evil . They are the embodiment of the American Dream .
I am certain that you are each concerned about the value of your homes but stop to think about the message about this community that many of you put out in public view day after day . The message is pretty much --- STAY AWAY !
My God -- a woman posted on here this week that she had a problem with a driver who she insisted was on their way to a Sarah Palin autograph . Really !!
I have a great driving record and I obey the speed limit . I have lost track of how many times I have been the victim of what I call " predatory driving " along with the " angry Male salute . You teach that to your grand-children ? Grow Up . I feel sorry for your spouses . How many years have they suffered ?
So continue to bitch about every dining experience --- too hot , too cold .
Wet all over the Mens Room , toss your wet paper towels on the floor and blame the owner who is no doubt struggling to recoup his / her investment .And then complain that more business do not wish to come here . Do you think that an astute business person or company does not take note ? Really ?
I wish that I knew demographically where most of the bitching is coming from . I can only hope that it is not from " The Greatest Generation ". Frankly I suspect that much of it might just be from my so called generation " The Baby Boomers " who brought this country not much but whining and doing the least for the most and giving not much in return .
So here goes .
Have at It !!!

Jim,
I have noticed that most of the posters, regardless of sex, who seem to distrust the developer also post almost exclusively negative and confrontational diatribes. Maybe it is hormonal and just general malaise.