[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

You nailed it. These horible things are not racist in that they do not meet true definition but rather just angry young people with the means and desire to put hurt on others for no specific reason. For some they are crying out for help, attention and exceptence. We force mothers to give birth to children they don't want and have no intention of raising properly. And in some cases do not have the means nor ability to raise children.

I don't understand this post or the post prior to it in that who exactly was raised in a white or black home to hate others? I also don't know what you meant about forcing mothers to give birth to their children. Abortion is legal and so is birth control. Most families don't teach racial hatred that I know of. Black or white or any color. That I know of.

I don't see this killing as a cry for acceptance either. Or a cry for help? I know that if we reward bad behavior with attention in little ones, we usually get more bad behavior. Acceptance in society usually comes with living in accepted ways and some things earn people points that are pretty much accepted by all. Being successful is the best retaliation for being looked down on.

Perhaps I am racist. I don't want to be racist. I want to be colorblind.
I am confused. I really am.

[Suzi]

Back in the day, we probably all had some relative that was very racist. Black, white hispanic or whatever. If a youngster is raised in a home where these slurs were routine, common, day after day, indoctrinated so to speak, is it not possible for that kid to believe that as truth? If you live, sleep, eat, play with black gangs who believe that anything white is the cause of your unhappiness, does it not follow that you could automatically hate white people? Remember Patty Hearst?

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't understand this post or the post prior to it in that who exactly was raised in a white or black home to hate others? I also don't know what you meant about forcing mothers to give birth to their children. Abortion is legal and so is birth control. Most families don't teach racial hatred that I know of. Black or white or any color. That I know of.

I don't see this killing as a cry for acceptance either. Or a cry for help? I know that if we reward bad behavior with attention in little ones, we usually get more bad behavior. Acceptance in society usually comes with living in accepted ways and some things earn people points that are pretty much accepted by all. Being successful is the best retaliation for being looked down on.

Perhaps I am racist. I don't want to be racist. I want to be colorblind.
I am confused. I really am.

I have lived in Washington, D.C. And Atlanta Georgia for 18 years prior to retirement. I have no doubt that I am a racist. I will not act upon it as most racist whites and racist blacks will not. Anyone that says I do not have a racist bone in my body is not being honest. Some of them think they are but they are not. These three boys, 1 black, 1 mix race and 1 white would have killed the victim be he white, black, women or whatever. We make society that encourages skinny to hate fat, tall to hate short and straights to hate gays etc.
I would be willing to host a HOW CAN WE LOVE EACH OTHER GROUP. Any interest in that.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

You nailed it. These horible things are not racist in that they do not meet true definition but rather just angry young people with the means and desire to put hurt on others for no specific reason. For some they are crying out for help, attention and exceptence. We force mothers to give birth to children they don't want and have no intention of raising properly. And in some cases do not have the means nor ability to raise children.

Nobody's "forcing women to give birth". The real problem is that the same people constantly defending the right to abortion on demand (lefties) are the same ones who wildly oppose in the courts removal of children like these three boys from their "home" that is poisoning them at a very young age, toward being criminals. Too often, social workers and courts put the "rights" of the mother before those of a helpless child.

It doesn't jibe to insist on abortion rights at any stage of gestation, but yet insist that a child raising himself on the streets should not be taken away from his mother/father and raised in an orphanage or put up for adoption to people who would actually care for them and teach them a better way of life.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Nobody's "forcing women to give birth". The real problem is that the same people constantly defending the right to abortion on demand (lefties) are the same ones who wildly oppose in the courts removal of children like these three boys from their "home" that is poisoning them at a very young age, toward being criminals. Too often, social workers and courts put the "rights" of the mother before those of a helpless child.

It doesn't jibe to insist on abortion rights at any stage of gestation, but yet insist that a child raising himself on the streets should not be taken away from his mother/father and raised in an orphanage or put up for adoption to people who would actually care for them and teach them a better way of life.

Good point. My opinion, many children would be better off in an orphanage than being in the possession of their birth mothers.

[Bavarian]

The so-called unwanted babies and children should be allowed to be adopted. Some parents should not have them and plenty of us would have adopted them and raised them right.

[gomoho]

Some of these "unwanted" babies are wanted for the cash they bring in.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Some of these "unwanted" babies are wanted for the cash they bring in.

As sad as your statement is, it's true.

[PaPaLarry]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Good point. My opinion, many children would be better off in an orphanage than being in the possession of their birth mothers.

I myself was raised in an orphanage, and was taught respect and morals, and love of God. So good point, that they would probably be better off in an orphanage, then in the possession of their birth mothers

[janmcn]

The District Attorney has just announced that this was not a hate crime and will not be prosecuted as such under the hate crime law that President Obama signed in 2009.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The District Attorney has just announced that this was not a hate crime and will not be prosecuted as such under the hate crime law that President Obama signed in 2009.

Well then. That is how it is.

[gomoho]

So be it - don't agree, but have to accept it.

[PaPaLarry]

I guess we have to except what District Attorney said, even though the word, "hate" was used in describing certain people. Must except the law!!

[Golfingnut]

I agree with the DA.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I agree with the DA.

Sounds accurate to me as well. This tragedy reminds me of the Leopold and Loeb murder. Leopold and Loeb Trial Home Page But in that 1924 case the murderers were extremely privileged young men trying to commit the perfect crime. Sociopaths with a mission and not bored sociopaths with nothing better to do. Still they all seem to be sociopaths. Not sure if education, sports programs, etc. would have stopped any of these killers.