[Bucco]

Originally Posted by ugotme

Not even funny !

Actually RIDICULOUS !

I reported that post.....this is the type of simple inflamatory post that folks complain about

[graciegirl]

This is so awful, I don't know where to begin!!! Where is the 24 hour news coverage and the experts weighing in and the people talking, talking , talking about this? Why was he targeted? Why did this happen? Where are the parents of these kids? What the hell is happening?????

A man was gunned down because kids were bored and had a gun???

I am beginning to change my mind about gun ownership. I have never owned a gun but I am rethinking that. But not about people working so they won't be BORED.

What kind of world is this becoming?

[billethkid]

given the type individuals they are with no regard for human life, I believe if they did not have a gun they would have killed another way.

btk

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

This is so awful, I don't know where to begin!!! Where is the 24 hour news coverage and the experts weighing in and the people talking, talking , talking about this? Why was he targeted? Why did this happen? Where are the parents of these kids? What the hell is happening?????

A man was gunned down because kids were bored and had a gun???

I am beginning to change my mind about gun ownership. But not about people working so they won't be BORED.

What kind of world is this becoming?

I wish it were a new trend, but it is not and your concern about the media is well founded.

This death and the motivation behind it deserves as much scrutiny as other cases but this death will not get it. It will be a minor story for a day or so and then go away. Do not be swayed by outrage because mostly it is politically motivated.

This deserves as much discussion as recent big news killings but it will not even touch it...no political gain to be had.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

given the type individuals they are with no regard for human life, I believe if they did not have a gun they would have killed another way.

btk

I doubt that. Take away the gun and you take away their courage.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I doubt that. Take away the gun and you take away their courage.

Those crummy low life losers! There were three of them and one of him and if they had wanted to knock him off the bicycle and beat the crap outa him and killed him they could have.

They were bored and wanted to KILL someone.

My kids were working during the summer when they were that age and they couldn't have afforded a gun for danged sure.

I want to see their parents and hear their excuses.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Those crummy low life losers! There were three of them and one of him and if they had wanted to knock him off the bicycle and beat the crap outa him and killed him they could have.

They were bored and wanted to KILL someone.

My kids were working during the summer when they were that age and they couldn't have afforded a gun for danged sure.

I want to see their parents and hear their excuses.

These scum bags will multiply until drastic measures are taken. If they would have been stopped and frisked this could have been avoided.

[Bavarian]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I still say it has a lot to do with a child's own parents not being present as much as they used to be during the formative years. Now this is extending into another generation. I am not saying to give up one's entire life, but just the first five formative years. Young people are setting aside four years for college, five years for a child would be good, either the mom or the dad, either one to be with that child during it's first five years full time.. They are the ONLY ones who have the child's best interests instinctively wired into them. When you are not with a child as much as we used to be, we become more like grandparents or treasured aunts and can't see the child's faults, or don't want to see them. Straightening out the little issues early on and making them important issues gives children a moral compass. It doesn't always work but it mostly does.

Dittos

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

These scum bags will multiply until drastic measures are taken. If they would have been stopped and frisked this could have been avoided.

And right now, the Stop & Frisk program police have been allowed to use effectively in NYC to take it back from the panhandlers and muggers is being decried as "racial profiling". But if it's being done in the neighborhoods where "wannabe gang" members or literal gang members most likely live and hang out, it's a "neighborhood" profiling and "behavioral" profiling.

I'm for "behavioral profiling"!!

[dillywho]

I have the same solution for these guys and for gang-bangers:

You like to kill? Fine. You're bored? Fine. We can handle that.

You will be on the next ship out to the front fighting lines. Just a gun and zero training; you seem to know how to kill, anyway. Let's see how you handle it with someone just a little tougher than you and just as hell-bent on killing someone/something.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I still say it has a lot to do with a child's own parents not being present as much as they used to be during the formative years. Now this is extending into another generation. I am not saying to give up one's entire life, but just the first five formative years. Young people are setting aside four years for college, five years for a child would be good, either the mom or the dad, either one to be with that child during it's first five years full time.. They are the ONLY ones who have the child's best interests instinctively wired into them. When you are not with a child as much as we used to be, we become more like grandparents or treasured aunts and can't see the child's faults, or don't want to see them. Straightening out the little issues early on and making them important issues gives children a moral compass. It doesn't always work but it mostly does.

I did not have the privilege of being a stay-at-home mom, but I have two sons that grew up to be outstanding adults. I was an integral part of their lives (unlike dad) and my word was LAW....not even up for discussion. My youngest son's friend once remarked to him, "Aw, Shannon, your mom's not going to do anything." to which he replied, "You don't know my mom and I'm not gonna try her!" I was never a parent to say, "Oh, my child wouldn't do that." Kids will do what they think/know they can get by with. I listened to their side, as well. When they were wrong, they were wrong and when they were right, they were right. They learned early on that lying would make things a whole lot worse (besides, they were really bad at it). They also attended church, were involved in scouting, the Y, and an organization known as Kids, Inc. which involved them in supervised sports events.

Kids today have zero discipline, have no concept of the word "no", and are allowed to do "their own thing". Excuse me, but that is why the good Lord gives us parents....to teach and guide. Time-out is a total joke. What ever happened to plain ole hard work and the proverbial woodshed? If my boys were in trouble in school.....they were in more when they got home. They had boundaries and they had chores. Believe me, I could find plenty to keep them from being "bored". They both had jobs in high school, too.

Were my kids perfect? Not by a long shot, but they were never involved in anything remotely serious, either. Both are now retired from the Navy. working on second careers. They both told me that the ones who couldn't adjust to service life were the ones who never had to do anything at home and had very little, if any, discipline. One made the remark right after going off to basic, "Now, I understand why we were told only once to do or not do something."

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I have the same solution for these guys and for gang-bangers:

You like to kill? Fine. You're bored? Fine. We can handle that.

You will be on the next ship out to the front fighting lines. Just a gun and zero training; you seem to know how to kill, anyway. Let's see how you handle it with someone just a little tougher than you and just as hell-bent on killing someone/something.

What an outstanding idea !!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by coralway

they were just exercising their second amendment rights, and standing their ground.

Please explain what this post has to do with the thread, the message board or the subject at hand ????

[TrudyM]

As a result of this Australia looked at the crime statistics for the US and has put us on the don't travel list for it's people. They say you are 15 times more likely to be shot in the US than in Australia. Can that be true? When my husband worked on a defense project I was surprised at the countries on the list we were not allowed to visit, we could go to China but not to Greece for instance. Never thought the US would be on that list.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I still say it has a lot to do with a child's own parents not being present as much as they used to be during the formative years. Now this is extending into another generation. I am not saying to give up one's entire life, but just the first five formative years. Young people are setting aside four years for college, five years for a child would be good, either the mom or the dad, either one to be with that child during it's first five years full time.. They are the ONLY ones who have the child's best interests instinctively wired into them. When you are not with a child as much as we used to be, we become more like grandparents or treasured aunts and can't see the child's faults, or don't want to see them. Straightening out the little issues early on and making them important issues gives children a moral compass. It doesn't always work but it mostly does.

This is what happens when you defer your child raising responsibilities to "Rosa", the possibly illegal, who barely speaks english, has an 8th grade education, and a culture alien to yours.

Just saying...