[gpirate]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

If It's A School Week In America, Odds Are There Will Be A School Shooting

Anyone have any practical suggestions about how to stop these shootings? More education about how to stop marginalizing kids done by other kids? Bullying has always been around but why has it gone to such extremes? Copycat shooters who feel that's the only way to get what they want?

Not true. More like 16 shooting but I agree 16 is too many. Better parenting as most of us had would eliminate most of the shootings. Too many broken homes or never a father around is a lot of the cause.

[buggyone]

Wouldn't a retired police captain be thought of as a good guy with a gun?

He had extensive training in all aspects of gun handling.

Still, this good guy with a gun shoots and kills an unarmed man in a movie theater for texting during a preview.

[Serenoa]

Good grief, how many times have we seen "THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO STOP A BAD MAN WITH A GUN IS INTERVENTION BY A GOOD MAN WITH A GUN." in this thread?

Not too hard to tell who the NRA Kool-Aid drinkers are.

The problem in our country today is TOO MANY GUNS, and you can thank the hysteria driving NRA for that. To think that they're merely defending your 2nd amendment rights is laughable. What respectable organization has a crackpot like Ted Nugent on it's board of directors?

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by buggyone

It will not be solved on TOTV but certainly it is a good topic for discussion as an open forum is supposed to do.

I wonder how long it will be before some our gun enthusiasts will come on and say that schools should not be gun free zones since that encourages someone to come start shooting since it will be a safe area for them to do their shooting with no danger. Yeah, stop guns by bringing in more guns. That is going to end well.

Are the shootings the result of bad parenting, coddled children, violent video games, gratuitous violence in movies, removal of God from schools, or just plain crazy people?

Before jumping to a quick answer remember that one answer may not fit all circumstances.

Your third paragraph says it all.......

I, myself, tend to think it is the result of the total violence in t.v. shows, movies, etc.............we ourselves, as formed adults who were raised in the "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" era when saluting the flag and morning prayer was still allowed in the schools......where in church kids were taught "Thou Shalt Not Kill" as part of the Ten Commandments........and somehow, just somehow, in our innocence....we seemed to just know "right from wrong" without all the counseling and such that they all have to receive today. We just knew.

Every time we watch "The Following" about the cult kids and their outrageous violence, at the behest of "Joe"........even though Kevin Bacon has always been a favorite actor of mine........I think the networks can do better. Many of these children who are shooting it up at their high schools have their own t.v.'s in their rooms.........they have been saturated in violent shows and movies at the cinemas since they were old enough to go with their friends..........

A blast from the past, but I was just reminding my husband yesterday that when we were "kids" our father's controlled the t.v. viewing (one t.v. in the home, in the living room; Dad chose the channels.....no remotes in those days).

Bonanza * the evening news * Victory at Sea * Ed Sullivan Show * etc.
We did get to watch Superman on Saturdays and a few other like that.........but I don't remember the level of violence that is on t.v. nowadays......the gory violence, torture, murder........etc.


Guns can be taught respectfully and kept under lock and key by responsible parents. Especially in the "hunting states".

With all of the kids put on psychotropic drugs nowadays for every little bit of anxiety.......or A.D.H.D., especially in the lower grades, perhaps they are not thinking rationally? Pharmaceutical drugs can change one's thought process and even actions.......just look at the Ambien Defense.....for driving while asleep.

We've become a nation of drugged out people.....and students.
Not all, but some..........

Anyway, you are correct.......it is a good topic for discussion.

What is so sad, is that it's the good kids who are being killed by one crazy nut .......in each of these school incidents.

How can we protect the innocents? Many of our schools do NOT have metal detectors........such as the most recent case; where they do not check for guns.

P.S. I KNOW THIS WILL NOT BE A POPULAR COMMENT, BUT IT IS A TRUTHFUL OBSERVATION ON MY PART.
I, for one, was fortunate to be able to stay at home and raise both of our children from the first pregnancy until they went off to college...........so they had daily guidance with love from both parents as my husband also "worked at home" Our home was the place all of their friends liked to come and we were happy to accommodate them.......

So many kids , through no fault of their own, nor of their parents who have to work, were left in daycare where they do tend to pick up bad habits...........

Raising of the children, including sex education, has been left to the schools..........
As another poster mentioned.........many families are now unstable, not all together, certainly not traditional.

Traditional worked for us........and thankfully, to watch ours raise their own........with kindness, caring, love and compassion plus the thirst for knowledge, reading, learning, etc..........is heart warming. I'll never regret the years I spent raising my children to be good people ; good citizens; and most of all have the love within to be loving to their own brood...........the next generation. I never had to raise my voice.........if parents would teach by example from the earliest years.........children become what they see in the HOME. If they live with violence, anger, hurtfulness, etc. then that's what they sometimes become..............unless they are astute enough to want to be different than their parents.

[Monkei]

The shooting in Vegas had 3 good people with guns. Didn't stop the mentally challenged bad people with guns. It's time.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Monkei

The shooting in Vegas had 3 good people with guns. Didn't stop the mentally challenged bad people with guns. It's time.

They did not strike me as mentally imbalanced, just perhaps evil in their outlook. http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook...ss-5551136.php

According to the American Psychiatric Association, most violent crime is not committed by the mentally ill. Yet those 25 percent of Americans are all implicated when we point the finger squarely at mental illness. Never mind the fact that over 99 percent of Americans with mental illness pose no danger to society. Never mind the fact that many shooters have almost no history of mental health problems. The Northern Illinois University shooter, for example, had a fairly normal life and was respected by students and faculty.

Being quick to say mental illness is the sole cause of mass shootings is not accurate, and the effects of doing so are potentially harmful to society. In blaming mental illness, we further its negative stigma, making people less likely to seek needed help for fear of being perceived as "crazy" or unstable. This will result in more, not fewer, problems.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Originally Posted by gpirate

Not true. More like 16 shooting but I agree 16 is too many. Better parenting as most of us had would eliminate most of the shootings. Too many broken homes or never a father around is a lot of the cause.

People need to take responsibility for raising their kids properly. In many cases in this country parenting skills are severely lacking. Kids are almost raising themselves.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by gpirate

Not true. More like 16 shooting but I agree 16 is too many. Better parenting as most of us had would eliminate most of the shootings. Too many broken homes or never a father around is a lot of the cause.

And how do you come to 16?

[Steve9930]

Reading these post I can say one thing for sure when people use inflammatory statements nothing ever gets accomplished. Kool-aid drinkers, nut cases, Paranoia, upper case statements, etc, will never start a positive conversation. Also its hard to take some of our anti-gun advocates seriously when very wealthy people talk about removing weapons from society when they live their lives with 24 hour security by men carrying guns. If I could afford 24 hour armed security I would not own a weapon either.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

People need to take responsibility for raising their kids properly. In many cases in this country parenting skills are severely lacking. Kids are almost raising themselves.

And the permissive nature of our anything goes society with no discipline or enforcement are the perfect breeding elements.

As was stated at a law enforcement seminar I attended hosted by the local police (not here)....the youth have no fear of the police or the law. And if they happen to be wealthy there is nothing they cannot get away with!!

[Duke-SRT]

Originally Posted by Monkei

The shooting in Vegas had 3 good people with guns. Didn't stop the mentally challenged bad people with guns. It's time.

The newspapaer article about this shooting stated the police officers were having lunch when the sooter approached them pulled out his gun and shot the first officer behind the head then shot the second officer in the neck. No matter how good you are with a gun if a person comes up to you and starts shooting there is nothing you can do to stop them. In the end these "bad guys" were taken out by other police officers "the good guys".

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by gpirate

Not true. More like 16 shooting but I agree 16 is too many. Better parenting as most of us had would eliminate most of the shootings. Too many broken homes or never a father around is a lot of the cause.

I see that this is a CNN article that saws 16 Newtown School like shootings. Let's hope there are 0 of these in the future. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/sch...gs-cnn-number/

This seems like the equivalent of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It depends on how you define "angels".

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by Duke-SRT

The newspapaer article about this shooting stated the police officers were having lunch when the sooter approached them pulled out his gun and shot the first officer behind the head then shot the second officer in the neck. No matter how good you are with a gun if a person comes up to you and starts shooting there is nothing you can do to stop them. In the end these "bad guys" were taken out by other police officers "the good guys".

Yes I think it really makes my case though. These were professional LE officers and even they were caught off guard and that is what usually happens. Now enter these nuts in Texas carrying guns into restaurants etc. it's a scenario which I think most of us can see will eventually cause good guys shooting good guys with guns.

I don't know the answers but there has to be some give and take here by the NRA. I would think it would be in their interest and their members to work together to help these issues. Right now all they are doing is scaring gun owners to drum up sales for gun manufacturers.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Yes I think it really makes my case though. These were professional LE officers and even they were caught off guard and that is what usually happens. Now enter these nuts in Texas carrying guns into restaurants etc. it's a scenario which I think most of us can see will eventually cause good guys shooting good guys with guns.

I don't know the answers but there has to be some give and take here by the NRA. I would think it would be in their interest and their members to work together to help these issues. Right now all they are doing is scaring gun owners to drum up sales for gun manufacturers.

It does not seem like common sense enters some of the leadership of the NRA. I do not think you need a bazooka for instance unless you expect to fight tanks. The same kind of reasoning should apply to weapons that were designed for the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Serenoa

Good grief, how many times have we seen "THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO STOP A BAD MAN WITH A GUN IS INTERVENTION BY A GOOD MAN WITH A GUN." in this thread?

Not too hard to tell who the NRA Kool-Aid drinkers are.

The problem in our country today is TOO MANY GUNS, and you can thank the hysteria driving NRA for that. To think that they're merely defending your 2nd amendment rights is laughable. What respectable organization has a crackpot like Ted Nugent on it's board of directors?

I'm quoting your post so you can see the truth again.

What is it that you find so offensive about the truth?

How do you propose to stop an "in progress" killing spree by a bad man with a gun?

Your answer is........................

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