[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Baldwin didn't check the gun before he pointed it and pulled the trigger. If I was the prosecutor I would ask the jury if they think Baldwin would not have checked the gun if the script called for him to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger.

Well said! I think we all know the answer.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Prosecutors added a "Firearms enhancement" charge which is an additional mandatory 5 years if he's convicted.

So if he's convicted he's going to do real time.

Hopefully near the scene of his shooting the woman to death on the Rust set, then lying about not pulling the trigger, within the walls of the State Penitentiary in Santa Fe and not in the Los Lunas pansy farm.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Not his job on a movie set. In my own house I always try to keep the weapon pointed down and treat it as if it were loaded at all times. And never point it any where near a person, dog, cat, or whatever living thing that is around.

Can you cite the New Mexico statute stating that it is not his job on a movie set to check a revolver before he aims it at someone else and pulls the trigger? To me at minimum it constitutes criminal negligence.

[manaboutown]

Justice may yet be served. it sure has taken a lot of time! Alec Baldwin formally charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News

“On the day of the shooting alone, evidence shows that no less than a dozen acts, or omissions of recklessness, occurred in the short time prior to lunch and the time of the shooting, and this does not include the reckless handling of the firearm by Baldwin,” the documents filed Tuesday stated. “Baldwin, by act or omission or failure to act in his position as a producer directly contributed and/or failed to mitigate numerous reckless and dangerous actions during a very short time period,”

“Finally, industry standards, protocols, and common firearm safety procedures on movie sets require the armorer, after conducting a safety check with the 1st assistant director, to conduct a second safety check with the actor to be handling the firearm,” the court papers state. “This reckless violation of standards and firearm safety occurred two times leading up to the shooting, and Baldwin failed to act to mitigate or correct the reckless safety violations, neither in his capacity as actor nor producer.”

The court filing further alleged that there was a “reckless deviation from known standards” on the set, which lead to the shooting.

“Baldwin acted with reckless disregard and/or more than mere negligence in this incident,” the papers said. “Baldwin acted with willful disregard of the safety of others and in a manner that endangered other people and he clearly should have known the danger of his actions which led to the death of Hutchins. Furthermore, Baldwin handled the weapon in a negligent manner.”

From: Alec Baldwin Formally Charged in Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Charges 'Wrong and Uninformed,' Says SAG-AFTRA - Variety

We will see what happens. The reasoning seems extremely poor for charging Baldwin. Now if the armorer and another person--Hannah Gutierrez Reed and David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive. That is Reed's job making sure the guns are handled safely on the MOVIE SET. It is NOT Baldwin's job to mess with the guns. In fact, actors should not be messing with the guns. Like checking to see if the right ammunition is in them. That is a recipe for accidents.

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Justice may yet be served. it sure has taken a lot of time! Alec Baldwin formally charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News

“On the day of the shooting alone, evidence shows that no less than a dozen acts, or omissions of recklessness, occurred in the short time prior to lunch and the time of the shooting, and this does not include the reckless handling of the firearm by Baldwin,” the documents filed Tuesday stated. “Baldwin, by act or omission or failure to act in his position as a producer directly contributed and/or failed to mitigate numerous reckless and dangerous actions during a very short time period,”

“Finally, industry standards, protocols, and common firearm safety procedures on movie sets require the armorer, after conducting a safety check with the 1st assistant director, to conduct a second safety check with the actor to be handling the firearm,” the court papers state. “This reckless violation of standards and firearm safety occurred two times leading up to the shooting, and Baldwin failed to act to mitigate or correct the reckless safety violations, neither in his capacity as actor nor producer.”

The court filing further alleged that there was a “reckless deviation from known standards” on the set, which lead to the shooting.

“Baldwin acted with reckless disregard and/or more than mere negligence in this incident,” the papers said. “Baldwin acted with willful disregard of the safety of others and in a manner that endangered other people and he clearly should have known the danger of his actions which led to the death of Hutchins. Furthermore, Baldwin handled the weapon in a negligent manner.”

From: Alec Baldwin Formally Charged in Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Charges 'Wrong and Uninformed,' Says SAG-AFTRA - Variety

We will see what happens. The reasoning seems extremely poor for charging Baldwin. Now if the armorer and another person--Hannah Gutierrez Reed and David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive. That is Reed's job making sure the guns are handled safely on the MOVIE SET. It is NOT Baldwin's job to mess with the guns. In fact, actors should not be messing with the guns. Like checking to see if the right ammunition is in them. That is a recipe for accidents.

Nonsense. I am still awaiting your reply citing a NM statute stating it is not an actor's job to safely handle a gun on a movie set. Alec Baldwin purposefully aimed a revolver without checking to see if it was loaded with live ammunition and thoughtlessly and carelessly shot a woman to death. If convicted, as he logically and righteously should be, locked up, preferably in the state pen in Santa Fe for at least five years.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Nonsense. I am still awaiting your reply citing a NM statute stating it is not an actor's job to safely handle a gun on a movie set. Alec Baldwin purposefully aimed a revolver without checking to see if it was loaded with live ammunition and thoughtlessly and carelessly shot a woman to death. If convicted, as he logically should be, locked up, preferably in the state pen in Santa Fe for at least five years.

What does the statute have to do with anything? Cases are decided by the facts. And also not by prejudice against an actor because of animosity towards their beliefs. I happen to like the Baldwins but if there was something there would hold one of them accountable.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What does the statute have to do with anything. Cases are decided by the facts. And also not by prejudice against an actor because of animosity towards their beliefs.

Are you kidding? Didn't you attend law school? Statutes define crimes.

"State legislatures have the exclusive and inherent power to pass a law prohibiting and punishing any act, provided that the law does not contravene the provisions of the U.S. or state constitution. When classifying conduct as criminal, state legislatures must ensure that the classification bears some reasonable relation to the welfare and safety of society. Municipalities may make designated behavior illegal insofar as the power to do so has been delegated to them by the state legislature.
Laws passed by Congress or a state must define crimes with certainty. A citizen and the courts must have a clear understanding of a criminal law's requirements and prohibitions. The elements of a criminal law must be stated explicitly, and the statute must embody some reasonably discoverable standards of guilt. If the language of a statute does not plainly show what the legislature intended to prohibit and punish, the statute may be declared void for vagueness."

From: Criminal Law legal definition of Criminal Law

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I happen to like the Baldwins but if there was something there would hold one of them accountable.

How well do you know the Baldwins? Have you ever been to their home, had dinner with them, etc.? Do you see them socially? Are you close friends with them?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

How well do you know the Baldwins? Have you ever been to their home, had dinner with them, etc.? Do you see them socially? Are you close friends with them?

No. I do not want to get in trouble for bringing up politics but assume that a lot of hatred of this Baldwin is exactly that.

And I worked for prisoners at Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater as a student and then Student Director. I supervised law students. I did look at case files of some prisoners.

Baldwin is nothing like any of these people who were prison in Minnesota.

They had committed clearly defined crimes and were in prison for those actions.


It is not Baldwin's job to check his gun at a movie set. He does have a duty as a manager of that set but that is a factual matter of just how much control he had.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is not Baldwin's job to check his gun at a movie set. He does have a duty as a manager of that set but that is a factual matter of just how much control he had.

Is that set out in New Mexico statutes? SAG procedures are not the ultimate authority. NM statutes are. On top of being an actor Alec was a producer and had that responsibility as well. The DA is going easy on him IMHO. If found guilty he deserves to do the time as he committed the crime. He, without checking for live ammunition, pointed and shot a revolver at a woman, killing her. Then he lied about pulling the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Is that set out in New Mexico statutes? SAG procedures are not the ultimate authority. NM statutes are. On top of being an actor Alec was a producer and had that responsibility as well. The DA is going easy on him IMHO. If found guilty he deserves to do the time as he committed the crime. He, without checking for live ammunition, pointed and shot a revolver at a woman, killing her. Then he lied about pulling the trigger.

That is not his job to check the ammunition on a Movie Set!

[MorTech]

Who brought the live rounds onto a movie set?
...And why?

[dewilson58]

Alex:

Aimed the gun at someone.

Pulled the trigger.

Killed someone.

Did not take required safety training.

Lied to investigators.

[tuccillo]

There initially was a report of the gun being used for target practice earlier in the day. I have not heard any follow up on that report.

Originally Posted by MorTech

Who brought the live rounds onto a movie set?
...And why?