[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Charges 'Wrong and Uninformed,' Says SAG-AFTRA - Variety

We will see what happens. The reasoning seems extremely poor for charging Baldwin. Now if the armorer and another person--Hannah Gutierrez Reed and David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive. That is Reed's job making sure the guns are handled safely on the MOVIE SET. It is NOT Baldwin's job to mess with the guns. In fact, actors should not be messing with the guns. Like checking to see if the right ammunition is in them. That is a recipe for accidents.

W0W! That logic would exonerate any Boss, Manager, CEO and employee for just about any negligent action within their realm of responsibility. An employee comes into an office with a gun. The guard see it but does not act. The Manager does not act. The CEO does not act. The employee with the gun claims he did not know it was loaded. Somebody got shot. Nobody here is guilty. Then it must be the gun.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

W0W! That logic would exonerate any Boss, Manager, CEO and employee for just about any negligent action within their realm of responsibility. An employee comes into an office with a gun. The guard see it but does not act. The Manager does not act. The CEO does not act. The employee with the gun claims he did not know it was loaded. Somebody got shot. Nobody here is guilty. Then it must be the gun.

I see no logic in your response. The guard's JOB is to protect his work place and people in it. Baldwin's job is NOT to check weapons he is holding for acting purposes for whether or not they have live rounds in them. He is not supposed to be messing with the weapons on a movie set. That act could result in a live round being put it in by him.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

. Baldwin's job is NOT to check weapons he is holding for acting purposes for whether or not they have live rounds in them. He is not supposed to be messing with the weapons on a movie set. That act could result in a live round being put it in by him.

I am still waiting for a citation of a New Mexico statute verifying that is true.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

I am still waiting for a citation of a New Mexico statute verifying that is true.

Statutes cover a broad area. I doubt if any New Mexico Statutes involve actions of actors on MOVIE SETS.

[manaboutown]

Prosecutors claim Alec Baldwin allowed a ‘climate of recklessness’
Copyright © 2023 Albuquerque Journal
BY MATTHEW REISEN JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed told authorities Alec Baldwin had failed to attend required firearms training during the filming of “Rust,” so she had requested an hourlong firearms training with the movie star, according to court records filed Tuesday.
Gutierrez-Reed “felt this training was very important for Baldwin” but told deputies the requested training was cut short — to about a half-hour — due to the actor being distracted on his phone and speaking with family.
The instance is one of several prosecutors point to in alleging that Baldwin, as producer and actor on the movie “Rust,” allowed “a climate of recklessness” on set before he fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, with a Colt .45 prop gun at a movie set outside Santa Fe.
For her part, prosecutors allege Gutierrez-Reed — the film’s armorer — was responsible for Hutchins’ death as she did not follow numerous safety protocols, including by leaving ammunition unattended, allowing live rounds onto the set and not insisting on proper training forBaldwin.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed were each charged Tuesday in 1st Judicial District Court with involuntary manslaughter in the Oct. 21, 2021, death of Hutchins during a rehearsal on the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set. The shooting also left director Joel Souza injured with a bullet in his shoulder.

Reckless environment

Prosecutors allege Baldwin was responsible for Hutchins’ death by not addressing prior accidental gun discharges, hiring inexperienced crew like Gutierrez-Reed, failing to hold sufficient safety meetings and personally mishandling the firearm that killed Hutchins.
Baldwin was given “only minimal training” even after Gutierrez-Reed requested more training for him, according to a statement of probable cause filed in District Court. According to court records, Baldwin was “distracted and talking on his cellphone to his family during the training.”
Fur thermore, the rehearsal did not require the gun to be fired, according to court records. Despite Baldwin’s assertion that he did not pull the trigger, FBI analysis found the gun would not fire any other way, including when a mallet was used to strike the hammer.
Regardless, “It was also determined by consultation with expert armorers that in a rehearsal, a plastic gun or replica gun should be used,” according to the court records. Prosecutors also allege that Baldwin failed to “demand at least two safety checks” by Gutierrez- Reed before shooting Hutchins, which is standard safety protocol.
“ Final ly, Baldwin directly pointed a firearm at Hutchins and Souza. Whether guided by (Hutchins) directions or not, Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don’t intend on shooting,” according to court records. “Had Baldwin performed the required safety checks with the armorer (Gutierrez- Reed) this tragedy would not have occurred.”
Prosecutors allege Baldwin should have known better after he has touted himself as an “expert” in firearms in filmmaking and having been in at least 40 movies or TV shows that involved him in scenes with guns.
As producer, Baldwin also allowed the hiring of inexperienced crew such as Gutierrez-Reed and prop master Sarah Zackary, both of whom had no certifiable firearms training, according to court records.
There were also two negligent discharges on set in the days leading up to the fatal shooting — one by Zachary — and prosecutors allege Baldwin “failed to act to address this reckless situation” or have Gutierrez- Reed do so.
Baldwin also did not address the “lack of daily safety meetings” and, according to court records, only three or four had been done by the 13th day of filming.
As armorer, investigators found Gutierrez-Reed knew of many of these shortcomings and did not address them or insist changes being made, according to court records. She also did not follow safety protocols herself, leaving ammunition unattended on a cart and handing loaded guns to regular crew members — one of which led to a negligent discharge.
Gutierrez-Reed, according to court records, also did not stay on set with firearms and failed to correct Baldwin from having his finger on the trigger and pointing it at people, shown in rehearsal video.
“Her absence from the set allowed the reckless behavior to happen and continue, resulting in the fatal shooting,” according to court records, adding that her allowing live ammunition onto the set “put everyone on the Rust set in danger.”

[Taltarzac725]

How about posting the defense to be fair. They are spinning the story in their interest of winning the case.

The facts are not there about Baldwin owning a duty to check the gun for live rounds. He was told by someone who had that duty that the gun was "SAFE". Alec Baldwin told gun was safe before fatal shooting - court records - BBC News

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Prosecutors claim Alec Baldwin allowed a ‘climate of recklessness’
Copyright © 2023 Albuquerque Journal
BY MATTHEW REISEN JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed told authorities Alec Baldwin had failed to attend required firearms training during the filming of “Rust,” so she had requested an hourlong firearms training with the movie star, according to court records filed Tuesday.
Gutierrez-Reed “felt this training was very important for Baldwin” but told deputies the requested training was cut short — to about a half-hour — due to the actor being distracted on his phone and speaking with family.
The instance is one of several prosecutors point to in alleging that Baldwin, as producer and actor on the movie “Rust,” allowed “a climate of recklessness” on set before he fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, with a Colt .45 prop gun at a movie set outside Santa Fe.
For her part, prosecutors allege Gutierrez-Reed — the film’s armorer — was responsible for Hutchins’ death as she did not follow numerous safety protocols, including by leaving ammunition unattended, allowing live rounds onto the set and not insisting on proper training forBaldwin.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed were each charged Tuesday in 1st Judicial District Court with involuntary manslaughter in the Oct. 21, 2021, death of Hutchins during a rehearsal on the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set. The shooting also left director Joel Souza injured with a bullet in his shoulder.

Reckless environment

Prosecutors allege Baldwin was responsible for Hutchins’ death by not addressing prior accidental gun discharges, hiring inexperienced crew like Gutierrez-Reed, failing to hold sufficient safety meetings and personally mishandling the firearm that killed Hutchins.
Baldwin was given “only minimal training” even after Gutierrez-Reed requested more training for him, according to a statement of probable cause filed in District Court. According to court records, Baldwin was “distracted and talking on his cellphone to his family during the training.”
Fur thermore, the rehearsal did not require the gun to be fired, according to court records. Despite Baldwin’s assertion that he did not pull the trigger, FBI analysis found the gun would not fire any other way, including when a mallet was used to strike the hammer.
Regardless, “It was also determined by consultation with expert armorers that in a rehearsal, a plastic gun or replica gun should be used,” according to the court records. Prosecutors also allege that Baldwin failed to “demand at least two safety checks” by Gutierrez- Reed before shooting Hutchins, which is standard safety protocol.
“ Final ly, Baldwin directly pointed a firearm at Hutchins and Souza. Whether guided by (Hutchins) directions or not, Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don’t intend on shooting,” according to court records. “Had Baldwin performed the required safety checks with the armorer (Gutierrez- Reed) this tragedy would not have occurred.”
Prosecutors allege Baldwin should have known better after he has touted himself as an “expert” in firearms in filmmaking and having been in at least 40 movies or TV shows that involved him in scenes with guns.
As producer, Baldwin also allowed the hiring of inexperienced crew such as Gutierrez-Reed and prop master Sarah Zackary, both of whom had no certifiable firearms training, according to court records.
There were also two negligent discharges on set in the days leading up to the fatal shooting — one by Zachary — and prosecutors allege Baldwin “failed to act to address this reckless situation” or have Gutierrez- Reed do so.
Baldwin also did not address the “lack of daily safety meetings” and, according to court records, only three or four had been done by the 13th day of filming.
As armorer, investigators found Gutierrez-Reed knew of many of these shortcomings and did not address them or insist changes being made, according to court records. She also did not follow safety protocols herself, leaving ammunition unattended on a cart and handing loaded guns to regular crew members — one of which led to a negligent discharge.
Gutierrez-Reed, according to court records, also did not stay on set with firearms and failed to correct Baldwin from having his finger on the trigger and pointing it at people, shown in rehearsal video.
“Her absence from the set allowed the reckless behavior to happen and continue, resulting in the fatal shooting,” according to court records, adding that her allowing live ammunition onto the set “put everyone on the Rust set in danger.”

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

How about posting the defense to be fair. They are spinning the story in their interest of winning the case.

The facts are not there about Baldwin owning a duty to check the gun for live rounds. He was told by someone who had that duty that the gun was "SAFE". Alec Baldwin told gun was safe before fatal shooting - court records - BBC News

The only spinning I see is from the defense, starting with Alec lying to the police that he he had not pulled the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The only spinning I see is from the defense, starting with Alec lying to the police that he he had not pulled the trigger.

That is not a crux of this case. I doubt if he knew what he did given the trauma that occurred at that movie set. Again because someone in charge of gun safety on a MOVIE SET did not do their jobs. He was not in charge of safety on the set.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That is not a crux of this case. I doubt if he knew what he did given the trauma that occurred at that movie set. Again because someone in charge of gun safety on a MOVIE SET did not do their jobs. He was not in charge of safety on the set.

But he DID refuse to take the safety course...

AND he was the exec producer on the film...

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

But he DID refuse to take the safety course...

AND he was the exec producer on the film...

That is not clear what happened. Alec Baldwin ignored gun training request before shooting

While the lawsuit doesn’t name Baldwin as a defendant, it paints a picture of lax adherence to gun safety protocols on the set. Gutierrez-Reed also appeared to cast some blame on Baldwin for failing to attend a “cross draw training” session and for how he handled the weapon, Insider reported. The lawsuit said Gutierrez-Reed asked Baldwin to schedule the training on Oct. 15, less than a week before the Oct. 21 fatal shooting, but she never heard back from him.

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

How about posting the defense to be fair. They are spinning the story in their interest of winning the case.

The facts are not there about Baldwin owning a duty to check the gun for live rounds. He was told by someone who had that duty that the gun was "SAFE". Alec Baldwin told gun was safe before fatal shooting - court records - BBC News

So do you think that if the script called for Baldwin to put the gun to his own head and pull the trigger that he would not have checked it himself?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

So do you think that if the script called for Baldwin to put the gun to his own head and pull the trigger that he would not have checked it himself?

An actor, Jon-Eric Hexum, died that way from a blank. So I doubt it.

[fishon]

Tal
Put down the shovel.

[New Englander]

Personally, I don't like Alec Baldwin. I think he pulled the trigger but he was handed a gun loaded with real ammo and told the gun was cold. He's responsible, the armorer, and the moron who brought real bullets to a movie set.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by New Englander

Personally, I don't like Alec Baldwin. I think he pulled the trigger but he was handed a gun loaded with real ammo and told the gun was cold. He's responsible, the armorer, and the moron who brought real bullets to a movie set.

He was told the gun was loaded with blanks. He obviously pulled the trigger as that gun did not fire without it being pulled.

He does have some guilt but has already paid the family of the woman who died. I do not see a criminal charge though that should follow those facts.