[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

An actor, Jon-Eric Hexum, died that way from a blank. So I doubt it.

What about if his wife was in the movie and the script called for him to point the gun at her and pull the trigger?

If you think he would have checked the gun himself in that situation explain to us why not doing it when it was pointed at someone else is not criminal negligence.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

He was told the gun was loaded with blanks. He obviously pulled the trigger as that gun did not fire without it being pulled.

He does have some guilt but has already paid the family of the woman who died. I do not see a criminal charge though that should follow those facts.

Being told the gun has loaded with blanks is the same thing as being told the gun was "cold". Baldwin is not the only one responsible.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

He was told the gun was loaded with blanks. He obviously pulled the trigger as that gun did not fire without it being pulled.

He does have some guilt but has already paid the family of the woman who died. I do not see a criminal charge though that should follow those facts.

Alec lied to authorities that he had not pulled the trigger.

Why did Alec not insist on a plastic fake gun as it was at most an informal rehearsal? That would be the normal procedure on a movie set as I understand it. A real gun would be used on a "take" but not in a practice action such as he took.

If someone told me a revolver was not loaded with live ammo there is no way I would point it at someone and pull the trigger without checking for myself, probably at least twice if not three times. And, there would have to be a very good reason even then, such as for a real take, not some casual or informal gun handling practice.

The criminal charges against Alec are quite modest considering the inexcusable acts he committed and clearly warranted.

No matter what he paid his victim's family it will not bring her back. Her death was an unwarranted tragedy in every sense of the word.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That is not clear what happened. Alec Baldwin ignored gun training request before shooting

Oh, he ignored the request, rather then refused the request... Same result...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

An actor, Jon-Eric Hexum, died that way from a blank. So I doubt it.

No, he died screwing around with a prop gun... It WAS NOT part of any planned scene he was to shoot. The explosion from "THE BLANK" that was in the gun drove fragments of his skull into his brain, killing him...

[PugMom]

didn't the same thing happen to Brandon Lee? killed by blanks??

[manaboutown]

"A manslaughter charge can be brought if a defendant is (sic) killed while doing something lawful but dangerous and acted negligently or without caution.

In newly filed court documents, prosecutors said reckless safety failures accompanied the film production from the outset. They cite Baldwin’s failure as an actor to appear for mandatory firearms training prior to filming and his decision as a producer to work with Gutierrez-Reed, who was an uncertified and inexperienced armorer.

A probable cause statement from investigators traces safety failures across a 10-day period, such as misfires on set, a camera crew walkout, and the moments before Hutchins’ death as a revolver was loaded with ammunition and Baldwin’s finger came to rest on the pistol’s trigger.

“Baldwin’s deviation from known standards, practices, and protocol directly caused” Hutchins’ death, Robert Shilling, a special investigator for the Santa Fe district attorney’s office, said in the probable cause statement.
Investigators said reckless safety failures culminated when Baldwin drew a revolver from a holster, pointed it at Hutchins, and fired the weapon when a plastic or replica gun should have been used by industry standards.

Photos and videos of the rehearsal, including moments before the deadly shooting, showed Baldwin with his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger while “manipulating” the pistol’s hammer, investigators said, noting that an FBI analysis shows the pistol could not be fired without pressing the trigger."

From: Alec Baldwin Scheduled for Court on Charges in Set Death | NTD

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That is not a crux of this case. I doubt if he knew what he did given the trauma that occurred at that movie set. Again because someone in charge of gun safety on a MOVIE SET did not do their jobs. He was not in charge of safety on the set.

Baldwin was the "Producer" and as such was responsible for safety on the set. He skipped gun training, allowed improper use of the gun on the set, handled the gun without the gun experts around, and killed a person. And to say that the prosecutors are manipulating the facts. Start with the facts. He killed a person in a rehearsal. He was responsible for the set and all activities, he hired inexperienced gun experts, lied when questioned about the event. I would guess that it will be the defense that will start twisting the events.

If any of us produced a local play and the producer was the actor involving a gun scene that resulted a death, someone would be held responsible. The producer actor would be at the top of the list. Others, may also be charged, but the producer couldn't simply get off by saying I paid someone somebody else to be responsible for the gun.

A rehearsal with a live round (Blank or real) seems a bit irresponsible. What other facts do we not yet know? Were there other rounds in the weapon, was there a distinguishing feature on blanks that would allow handlers to know the ammo was not real. Were actors charged with checking the gun prior to use. It may have been others that had that duty assigned, but the producer would certainly be responsible to ensure that proper gun safety rules were in force and followed.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

"A manslaughter charge can be brought if a defendant is (sic) killed while doing something lawful but dangerous and acted negligently or without caution.

In newly filed court documents, prosecutors said reckless safety failures accompanied the film production from the outset. They cite Baldwin’s failure as an actor to appear for mandatory firearms training prior to filming and his decision as a producer to work with Gutierrez-Reed, who was an uncertified and inexperienced armorer.

A probable cause statement from investigators traces safety failures across a 10-day period, such as misfires on set, a camera crew walkout, and the moments before Hutchins’ death as a revolver was loaded with ammunition and Baldwin’s finger came to rest on the pistol’s trigger.

“Baldwin’s deviation from known standards, practices, and protocol directly caused” Hutchins’ death, Robert Shilling, a special investigator for the Santa Fe district attorney’s office, said in the probable cause statement.
Investigators said reckless safety failures culminated when Baldwin drew a revolver from a holster, pointed it at Hutchins, and fired the weapon when a plastic or replica gun should have been used by industry standards.

Photos and videos of the rehearsal, including moments before the deadly shooting, showed Baldwin with his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger while “manipulating” the pistol’s hammer, investigators said, noting that an FBI analysis shows the pistol could not be fired without pressing the trigger."

From: Alec Baldwin Scheduled for Court on Charges in Set Death | NTD

So much from ONE side.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by PugMom

didn't the same thing happen to Brandon Lee? killed by blanks??

Yes...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

So much from ONE side.

So tell us the OTHER side of the story...

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Baldwin was the "Producer" and as such was responsible for safety on the set. He skipped gun training, allowed improper use of the gun on the set, handled the gun without the gun experts around, and killed a person. And to say that the prosecutors are manipulating the facts. Start with the facts. He killed a person in a rehearsal. He was responsible for the set and all activities, he hired inexperienced gun experts, lied when questioned about the event. I would guess that it will be the defense that will start twisting the events.

If any of us produced a local play and the producer was the actor involving a gun scene that resulted a death, someone would be held responsible. The producer actor would be at the top of the list. Others, may also be charged, but the producer couldn't simply get off by saying I paid someone somebody else to be responsible for the gun.

A rehearsal with a live round (Blank or real) seems a bit irresponsible. What other facts do we not yet know? Were there other rounds in the weapon, was there a distinguishing feature on blanks that would allow handlers to know the ammo was not real. Were actors charged with checking the gun prior to use. It may have been others that had that duty assigned, but the producer would certainly be responsible to ensure that proper gun safety rules were in force and followed.

The Screen Actors Guild is taking a much different approach to this tragedy. And again this is a movie set and not real life. Who knows how much a role Baldwin had with gun safety? The most important point is that this was on a movie set and the person in charge of the gun at that time said it was safe to use it as the script directed the actor to do.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The Screen Actors Guild is taking a much different approach to this tragedy. And again this is a movie set and not real life. Who knows how much a role Baldwin with gun safety? The most important point is that this was on a movie set and the person in charge of the gun at that time said it was safe to use it as the script directed the actor to do.

I am guessing that the courthouse is not going to be a movie set and that the family of the deceased may have considered her death "real'. The person in charge of the gun at that time was Baldwin. As producer he hired the so-called gun experts. That expertise is questioned so he has to prove that he hired qualified, experienced persons. Were those experts in attendance, did they hand him the gun and declare it safe to use? All to be determined by trial I don't know the facts. But that is what the trial will provide. Any one's insistence that the experts exonerate the shooter without knowing the facts is simply stating an opinion and is certainly entitled to that. As are any others who disagree. Let the show proceed and we will see. Whatever the decision, there is bound to be disagreement..

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

So much from ONE side.

Those are the facts. Let's see how Alec, who has established himself as a liar, slimily tries to weasel out of criminally negligently shooting a woman to death.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

I am guessing that the courthouse is not going to be a movie set and that the family of the deceased may have considered her death "real'. The person in charge of the gun at that time was Baldwin. As producer he hired the so-called gun experts. That expertise is questioned so he has to prove that he hired qualified, experienced persons. Were those experts in attendance, did they hand him the gun and declare it safe to use? All to be determined by trial I don't know the facts. But that is what the trial will provide. Any one's insistence that the experts exonerate the shooter without knowing the facts is simply stating an opinion and is certainly entitled to that. As are any others who disagree. Let the show proceed and we will see. Whatever the decision, there is bound to be disagreement..

The family of the woman killed in this tragedy made a deal with Baldwin and others.