[New Englander]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Hate and anger. Close to the truth.

I was just told my views, two posts up were in exact words;

Ridiculous

Absurd

Laughable

Solves nothing.

Those are very harsh words to say the least and are only one person's opinion. However if someone had suffered a personal loss, a death, or had been very ill, or just been through any kind of stressful period in their lives, those harsh and critical words might be enough to cause them to be very hurt and angry or terribly depressed. I believe those very words could have been changed to less demeaning ones...easily.

Or one could simply have remained silent. All of this are just opinions and we all think we are right.

Some, even if they are right, know how to make people angry and feel bad.

Those are harsh words.

[GrumpyOldMan]

In 2011 we decided to spend $3 Trillion because 1300 people were killed in NY. How many more people have to die before we demand that $3 trillion dollars be allocated to stopping mass murders in the US?

[ahayward65]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

It's already illegal to murder someone and also illegal to willfully injure a person, so what additional legislation will stop this type of crime?

Wake up! Have you heard about the assault weapons available to
buy by any Tom, Dick or Harry ! Pass some laws that ban the sale of these types of weapons, that would be a start. Alas too many of our members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

The reason nothing has changed, even though states and cities pass more and more restrictive gun laws, is that the laws aren't being obeyed by the criminal. The only reason for laws is it provides the government a legal basis for charging, prosecuting and to sentence the violator to prison. Laws don't stop criminal behavior.

Well let's just get rid of those roundabouts, stop signs, traffic lights. Screw burglary laws. Ditch all drug laws. Open season on your neighbor if he mows his lawn too early for your taste. I mean hey - if he was going to shoot you, he wouldn't let a silly thing like a law stop him anyway, so why bother having a law saying he isn't allowed, right?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

The reason nothing has changed, even though states and cities pass more and more restrictive gun laws, is that the laws aren't being obeyed by the criminal. The only reason for laws is it provides the government a legal basis for charging, prosecuting and to sentence the violator to prison. Laws don't stop criminal behavior.

The color of your post makes it almost illegible to read in the original post. You may want to change that.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by ahayward65

I guess a start would be to pass some laws concerning the sale of guns!

There are already federal laws concerning the sale, possession and transportation of guns. Convicted felons cannot buy, own or possess a firearm, period. People adjudicated as being too mentally ill to possess firearms are prohibited also as is the felon. You must undergo and pass a background check before you can purchase one. What further restrictions do you think will correct the problem?

[anothersteve]

Nobody reads links or does their own research on the gun laws that are already on the books. They just believe what they are being fed. It's a hopeless "discussion".
Steve

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Well let's just get rid of those roundabouts, stop signs, traffic lights. Screw burglary laws. Ditch all drug laws. Open season on your neighbor if he mows his lawn too early for your taste. I mean hey - if he was going to shoot you, he wouldn't let a silly thing like a law stop him anyway, so why bother having a law saying he isn't allowed, right?

Re-read the portion of my post you quoted. No where did I imply or infer that there should be no laws. Laws don't on their own stop criminal activity. Laws exist as a means for the government to charge, prosecute and imprison the individual that breaks the law. I keep hearing the cry for more laws, what law will prevent these incidents that isn't already on the books?

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by ahayward65

Wake up! Have you heard about the assault weapons available to
buy by any Tom, Dick or Harry ! Pass some laws that ban the sale of these types of weapons, that would be a start. Alas too many of our members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.

Tell me the difference between these two rifles.. Which one is an "Assault Weapon"? One is a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, the other an AR-15.

[Number 10 GI]

How many people remember the Boston marathon bombing back in 2013? Two nut cases filled home kitchen pressure cookers with black powder taken from fireworks and made a couple bombs that killed, injured and maimed a number of people.

In 1995 Timothy McVeigh used a truck loaded with a fertilizer/diesel fuel mixture bomb that killed 168 people, which included children, and injured over 680 others.

In June 2001 in Japan, a school janitor/maintenance man entered a school and used a knife to kill 8 children and seriously wound 13 more including 2 teachers.

There have been so many bombing incidents in the middle east with hundreds killed and many more injured/maimed and not a gun was used.

In May this year a man in Tokyo, Japan killed one school girl and an adult and injured at least 17 others at a bus stop using a knife.

In 2018 in the UK they experienced the highest number of knife assaults since they began keeping records. In 2018 in England and Wales there were 732 homicides. Children as young as 9 are carrying knives out of fear of being attacked. Don't ask for links as I'm not computer savvy enough to get them to work, google is your friend.

What is the point of this information? Some of these places have such strict gun control laws that it is nearly impossible to own one, except for the middle east. In the absence of guns other, means are used and return just as horrific a body count as the mass shootings in the news. How many times do I have to say WE HAVE A VIOLENCE PROBLEM in this country and in many others. Passing more laws that will be ignored by the criminal to prohibit one homicide tool will just increase the death count by another tool. Strict gun laws in other countries isn't stopping the violence. Why is there no effort to discover why there is so much violent behavior and attitude? It's easier to pass a law that won't work and let so many have their emotional "gotta do something now" fix and go on with their lives thinking it will get better. Too many people don't want an honest discussion on violence as it might cause them to have to re-think some of their beliefs.

[ahayward65]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Tell me the difference between these two rifles.. Which one is an "Assault Weapon"? One is a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, the other an AR-15.

What is the difference? You are using a comparison that is not realistic. Like so many gun owners and protectionists of the 2nd amendent , you carry it to the extreme. Reasonable people do NOT want to take all guns away. Just put restrictions on the way guns are sold and the types of guns that can be purchased. Background checks, waiting periods, types of guns sold is not a ban on all weapons. You have been tricked, scared and intimidated by the false rhetoric surrounding this issue.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

How many people remember the Boston marathon bombing back in 2013? Two nut cases filled home kitchen pressure cookers with black powder taken from fireworks and made a couple bombs that killed, injured and maimed a number of people.

In 1995 Timothy McVeigh used a truck loaded with a fertilizer/diesel fuel mixture bomb that killed 168 people, which included children, and injured over 680 others.

In June 2001 in Japan, a school janitor/maintenance man entered a school and used a knife to kill 8 children and seriously wound 13 more including 2 teachers.

There have been so many bombing incidents in the middle east with hundreds killed and many more injured/maimed and not a gun was used.

In May this year a man in Tokyo, Japan killed one school girl and an adult and injured at least 17 others at a bus stop using a knife.

In 2018 in the UK they experienced the highest number of knife assaults since they began keeping records. In 2018 in England and Wales there were 732 homicides. Children as young as 9 are carrying knives out of fear of being attacked. Don't ask for links as I'm not computer savvy enough to get them to work, google is your friend.

What is the point of this information? Some of these places have such strict gun control laws that it is nearly impossible to own one, except for the middle east. In the absence of guns other, means are used and return just as horrific a body count as the mass shootings in the news. How many times do I have to say WE HAVE A VIOLENCE PROBLEM in this country and in many others. Passing more laws that will be ignored by the criminal to prohibit one homicide tool will just increase the death count by another tool. Strict gun laws in other countries isn't stopping the violence. Why is there no effort to discover why there is so much violent behavior and attitude? It's easier to pass a law that won't work and let so many have their emotional "gotta do something now" fix and go on with their lives thinking it will get better. Too many people don't want an honest discussion on violence as it might cause them to have to re-think some of their beliefs.

The question not many are interested in as it does not have an agenda fixed to it....

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The question not many are interested in as it does not have an agenda fixed to it....

Exactly.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by ahayward65

What is the difference? You are using a comparison that is not realistic. Like so many gun owners and protectionists of the 2nd amendent , you carry it to the extreme. Reasonable people do NOT want to take all guns away. Just put restrictions on the way guns are sold and the types of guns that can be purchased. Background checks, waiting periods, types of guns sold is not a ban on all weapons. You have been tricked, scared and intimidated by the false rhetoric surrounding this issue.

I believe you’re working on the wrong problem. It’s like locks on doors, they only keep the honest people honest.

If you ban those guns, only the mentally unstable will have them. I’m sure you’re cognizant of how successful the war on drugs hasn’t been and prohibition was never accomplished.

There will always be that element willing to pedal illegal weapons and I don’t want to see the good guys unarmed. For the record, I do not own a weapon.

Mental instability is at the root of these mass murders but our government has failed to address that issue. And everyone wants what seems to be the easiest answer but it’s no answer, IMHO.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ahayward65

What is the difference? You are using a comparison that is not realistic. Like so many gun owners and protectionists of the 2nd amendent , you carry it to the extreme. Reasonable people do NOT want to take all guns away. Just put restrictions on the way guns are sold and the types of guns that can be purchased. Background checks, waiting periods, types of guns sold is not a ban on all weapons. You have been tricked, scared and intimidated by the false rhetoric surrounding this issue.

Nicely put. Do something to stop these mass shootings. Whatever works that is within the confines of the US Constitution as seen by reasonable people. Fanatics are usually not at all reasonable.

These shootings hit home for me as my Villages' neighbor's grand daughter lost her life at the Parkland shooting. She was 14. They moved to be closer to their surviving grandkids and their cousins. But were very good neighbors from about 2006 to 2018.

So this can happen in the Villages so to speak.

And mental illness is a very difficult subject as the science of psychiatry is still in its infancy and is not very sophisticated.