[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by denniskathyb

When the ice age came it took 10,000 years for the ice to get 2 miles thick over Iowa.
We are now compressing 10,000 of temp change into several 100. Life needs more than 200 years to adapt.

Just what gave you that idea???? I had no idea mankind was so "formidable" in a battle with mother nature. Let's see, the same experts at NASA that my friend loves to quote estimate it would take 20,000 years to terraform Mars, yet we can do it here on Earth in "several 100". Yeah, right.

[Jeffery M]

Mars is warming as well as the Earth.

[Blackbird45]

When it comes to global warming or climate change, hardcore skeptics will not change their minds. So, let's put this issue a side and look at pollution. We have factories, diesel trucks and cars pumping toxic fumes in the air daily and people support this either for financial reasons or convenance. Now for those how do not believe this is true let do a little test. Tonight, after dinner get into your car, start it up, don't forget to keep your garage door close and in the morning see if you change your mind. Remember the old saying "Don't s**t where you eat".

[Nellmack]

Originally Posted by Steve

For those blaming "Climate Change" or "Global Warming" for the severity of Hurricane Ian here is a listing of the 10 most intense Florida hurricanes since record keeping of that nature began (not including Ian, of course).

Six were in the years1919-1960, long before 'Climate Change" or "Global Warming" were today's hot topic. They just happened because conditions were right.

The top three as far as loss of life is concerned were in 1919, 1926 and 1928.

Most Intense Hurricanes In Florida’s History
(From worldatlas.com)
Rank System Season Estimated Casualties
1 "Labor Day" 1935 400
2 Michael 2018 74
3 Andrew 1992 65
4 "Florida Keys" 1919 600-900
5 "Okeechobee" 1928 2,500
6 "Great Miami" 1926 372–539
7 Donna 1960 438
8 Irma 2017 134
9 "Florida" 1948 13
10 Charley 2004 35

The warming of the earth has happened at least once before that we know of. I think they called it the "Ice Age" where the earth cooled to the point it covered most of the planet with a sheet of ice killing off the dinosaurs, etc. But then it warmed up again and the glaciers that covered the earth receded...and it wasn't because of "greenhouse gases". We are still in that warming cycle and there's not an electric car in the world that can change that.

I don't agree with your comment. The worst loss of life on the list above if from the early 1900s long before quality weather predictions were available and zero building codes were in place. I recommend listening to climate scientists rather than political conversations.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Can you provide a list of 1 or 2 people GETTING RICH?

john mccain, (cap & trade), and algore.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Mars is warming as well as the Earth. Funny how that works. The Mars rover is solar powered so no global warming from that

Is Mars really heating up quicker than Earth? | BBC Science Focus Magazine

Kind of a different planet. And different reasons.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Can you provide a list of 1 or 2 people GETTING RICH?

The ultimate irony being that those who are actually "getting rich," are those who are heavily invested in fossil fuels and are spending billions to convince a certain gullible demographic that 90%+ of scientists and the science that humans are the primary problem - are all wrong. Exactly the same as cigarette companies full-court blitz of money and propaganda, that their product didn't cause cancer/other health problems. What we really have, are two large demographics of human induced climate change deniers. One group that figures they won't be around anyway, so don't want to be inconvenienced now regarding taking any actions for future generations. Another, much larger group than is acknowledged, are those that believe the 'rapture/end of days' will soon happen and any actions will be for naught anyway...so why bother?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tvbound

The ultimate irony being that those who are actually "getting rich," are those who are heavily invested in fossil fuels and are spending billions to convince a certain gullible demographic that 90%+ of scientists and the science that humans are the primary problem - are all wrong. Exactly the same as cigarette companies full-court blitz of money and propaganda, that their product didn't cause cancer/other health problems. What we really have, are two large demographics of human induced climate change deniers. One group that figures they won't be around anyway, so don't want to be inconvenienced now regarding taking any actions for future generations. Another, much larger group than is acknowledged, are those that believe the 'rapture/end of days' will soon happen and any actions will be for naught anyway...so why bother?

First of all, human induced climate change is the myth, so the so-called deniers are the group that is correct.

Anyway, I have explained the facts at least 5 times, yet the true believers just ignore the truth and persist in their chicken little sky is falling beliefs in climate change.

So, look at it this way----in about 1.6 billon years when our sun starts its death throes, and the photosphere expands past the Earth's orbit---We'll have plenty of global warming. The true believers will still probably insist it was due to fossil fuels

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Mars is warming as well as the Earth.

Are the Martians also burning fossil fuel?????

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First of all, human induced climate change is the myth, so the so-called deniers are the group that is correct.

Anyway, I have explained the facts at least 5 times, yet the true believers just ignore the truth and persist in their chicken little sky is falling beliefs in climate change.

So, look at it this way----in about 1.6 billon years when our sun starts its death throes, and the photosphere expands past the Earth's orbit---We'll have plenty of global warming. The true believers will still probably insist it was due to fossil fuels

Thank you for so quickly confirming my point - I appreciate it.

[Jeffery M]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Is Mars really heating up quicker than Earth? | BBC Science Focus Magazine

Kind of a different planet. And different reasons.

Same sun, which is warming both of the planets. Let's not forget the Climategate scandal, where so called top climate change scientists purposely obfuscated facts regarding climate change.


Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate

[rogerrice60]

Originally Posted by Steve

For those blaming "Climate Change" or "Global Warming" for the severity of Hurricane Ian here is a listing of the 10 most intense Florida hurricanes since record keeping of that nature began (not including Ian, of course).

Six were in the years1919-1960, long before 'Climate Change" or "Global Warming" were today's hot topic. They just happened because conditions were right.

The top three as far as loss of life is concerned were in 1919, 1926 and 1928.

Most Intense Hurricanes In Florida’s History
(From worldatlas.com)
Rank System Season Estimated Casualties
1 "Labor Day" 1935 400
2 Michael 2018 74
3 Andrew 1992 65
4 "Florida Keys" 1919 600-900
5 "Okeechobee" 1928 2,500
6 "Great Miami" 1926 372–539
7 Donna 1960 438
8 Irma 2017 134
9 "Florida" 1948 13
10 Charley 2004 35

The warming of the earth has happened at least once before that we know of. I think they called it the "Ice Age" where the earth cooled to the point it covered most of the planet with a sheet of ice killing off the dinosaurs, etc. But then it warmed up again and the glaciers that covered the earth receded...and it wasn't because of "greenhouse gases". We are still in that warming cycle and there's not an electric car in the world that can change that.

Loved your post.
I remember in the 60's all the radio shows were in a panic over "global cooling" they feared the earth was going to tip over due to the ice cap!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Mars is warming as well as the Earth.

What have we done to cause this?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Same sun, which is warming both of the planets. Let's not forget the Climategate scandal, where so called top climate change scientists purposely obfuscated facts regarding climate change.


Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate

Lets not forget the main source PUSHING climate gate was Saudi Arabia - and they have no financial interest in that - ahem...

'Climategate' - FactCheck.org

[wamley]

Yes, but 1935 is exactly the time the earth had started to warm. LOL. Bye the way it was changed to climate change because the warming wasn't working fast enough.