[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Every place that I have ever lived could be improved - including Florida and The Villages.

Most places I have lived were not improved. Most places became over developed, over populated, under protected, polluted. Overall quality of life diminished. Crimes increased. Stress increased and health suffered because of it.

[Maker]

Where I grew up, leaders accomplished a lot of great things to make life better for everyone. Residents appreciated improvements, especially ones that were hard to do. There were a few "don't change my life" people, but once they saw firsthand, many became idea generators who created new suggestions. I had no reason to think that level of critical thought cannot happen here too.
Just because something may be hard to do, or "that's the way we always have done it", doesn't automatically mean it should not change. Obstructing change for those reasons is foolish. Look at history. Cars replaced horses. Fuel injection replaced carburetors. Computers replaced slide rules. LED bulbs replaced tungsten filament bulbs. Things evolve. People can choose to help, or obstruct. My choice is clear.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

Where I grew up, leaders accomplished a lot of great things to make life better for everyone. Residents appreciated improvements, especially ones that were hard to do. There were a few "don't change my life" people, but once they saw firsthand, many became idea generators who created new suggestions. I had no reason to think that level of critical thought cannot happen here too.
Just because something may be hard to do, or "that's the way we always have done it", doesn't automatically mean it should not change. Obstructing change for those reasons is foolish. Look at history. Cars replaced horses. Fuel injection replaced carburetors. Computers replaced slide rules. LED bulbs replaced tungsten filament bulbs. Things evolve. People can choose to help, or obstruct. My choice is clear.

Alligators aren't carburetors, slide rules, horses, nor tungsten light bulbs...

Invent a better, safer reptile and we'll talk...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Maker

Where I grew up, leaders accomplished a lot of great things to make life better for everyone. Residents appreciated improvements, especially ones that were hard to do. There were a few "don't change my life" people, but once they saw firsthand, many became idea generators who created new suggestions. I had no reason to think that level of critical thought cannot happen here too.
Just because something may be hard to do, or "that's the way we always have done it", doesn't automatically mean it should not change. Obstructing change for those reasons is foolish. Look at history. Cars replaced horses. Fuel injection replaced carburetors. Computers replaced slide rules. LED bulbs replaced tungsten filament bulbs. Things evolve. People can choose to help, or obstruct. My choice is clear.

You left out: knives became spears. Spears became arrows. Slings became trebuchet. (Fast forward) tnt became atomic bombs. Etc.
Change is not always for the better.

[Maker]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You left out...

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Alligators aren't...

There is no reasoning with people that are 100% negative, 100% of the time. Who are against everything they don't understand. Who never show an open mind. Therein lies the root of many problems in TV.

I expect a few "move" comments next.

[Dusty_Star]

[QUOTE=Two Bills;2196652]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Fantasy? It happened!
I was pointing out a factual case regarding the balance of nature.
Removing all alligators will increase whatever they prey on, which could lead to other problems.
There is no problem with alligators in TV.
There is a problem however with people who disregard the basics of co-existing with them and nature in general.

They killed the birds, the insects ate the grain, the people died. You are correct about the balance of nature. However, where we disagree is that alligators are out of control in Florida. People are being killed & injured. While it hasn't happened here yet, that doesn't mean we should shut our eyes to the problem. The alligators need to be removed for the safety of the Villagers.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Maker

Where I grew up, leaders accomplished a lot of great things to make life better for everyone. Residents appreciated improvements, especially ones that were hard to do. There were a few "don't change my life" people, but once they saw firsthand, many became idea generators who created new suggestions. I had no reason to think that level of critical thought cannot happen here too.
Just because something may be hard to do, or "that's the way we always have done it", doesn't automatically mean it should not change. Obstructing change for those reasons is foolish. Look at history. Cars replaced horses. Fuel injection replaced carburetors. Computers replaced slide rules. LED bulbs replaced tungsten filament bulbs. Things evolve. People can choose to help, or obstruct. My choice is clear.

Total obfuscation and irrelevant argument to the question in hand.
The wild animal kingdom is finding it harder and harder to survive under us humans, as we diminish their habitats.
Extermination of species because they may be a problem is not the way to go.
Removing predator species of any description, increases the prey species to plague numbers.
Given your argument and solution, all that will survive are roaches and rats!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

There is no reasoning with people that are 100% negative, 100% of the time. Who are against everything they don't understand. Who never show an open mind. Therein lies the root of many problems in TV.

I expect a few "move" comments next.

I'd never suggest you move.

I just wonder why you came in the first place...

[JMintzer]

[QUOTE=Dusty_Star;2199587]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

They killed the birds, the insects ate the grain, the people died. You are correct about the balance of nature. However, where we disagree is that alligators are out of control in Florida. People are being killed & injured. While it hasn't happened here yet, that doesn't mean we should shut our eyes to the problem. The alligators need to be removed for the safety of the Villagers.

And most people living here disagree with your premise...

They are NOT "out of control"...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Maker

There is no reasoning with people that are 100% negative, 100% of the time. Who are against everything they don't understand. Who never show an open mind. Therein lies the root of many problems in TV.

I expect a few "move" comments next.

Negative? 100%, about everything, all the time? Never show an open mind? WOW! Is that the way you think you see things out the myopia scope you look through? Open your mind to a myriad of alternatives to your "kill them all" fixation.
As to your expectations of "move" comments, it is one of many ways to deal with your phobia.

[OwnedByCats]

The fabulous wildlife is one of the reasons we love it here, and that includes the alligators. But then, we have enough sense not to put ourselves in a position where the alligators are likely to be a problem.

As far as telling people to move, if someone wants to eradicate or even reduce substantially an entire species in a given area because of something that is very unlikely to happen, it's not unreasonable to suggest that those people might be happier elsewhere.

[Two Bills]

[QUOTE=JMintzer;2199627]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

And most people living here disagree with your premise...

They are NOT "out of control"...

That post was from Dusty Star, not me.
Don't know how my tag got attached to it.
Even this post is giving wrong tag.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Alligators are of no use in a populated community. They are only good for luggage, boots and cuisine.

It is extremely rare for a person to be attacked by an alligator although the media loves to exploit these unusual occurrences.

You do realize that thousands of people fish & swim in Florida lakes and rivers that also have alligators. I was kayaking at Three Sisters Springs/Kings Bay/Crystal River last week and there were literally over 100 swimmers, snorkelers, and scuba divers. It is a popular spot to see manatees but as with all bodies of water in Florida there are also alligators. Next week I am going to Juniper Springs where swimming is also popular and there are also alligators. I am also taking a kayak paddle down the Silver Springs river known for its glass bottom boat tours, alligators, monkeys and manatees.

The woman who was killed recently was foolish enough to walk her dog by the waters edge. The alligator went after the dog but it ran away & in front of the woman who was then a target of opportunity. Humans are not alligator's preferred food but alligators will definitely go after a dog.

People just need to use some common sense when they are in a wildlife setting. Bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, wild boars, etc. share our spaces but this is no reason to avoid a hike in the forest unless all of these predators are removed and killed.

As for The Villages, stay on the paths, don't allow your pet near the water and you will be safe & sound.

[Byte1]

[QUOTE=Dusty_Star;2199587]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

They killed the birds, the insects ate the grain, the people died. You are correct about the balance of nature. However, where we disagree is that alligators are out of control in Florida. People are being killed & injured. While it hasn't happened here yet, that doesn't mean we should shut our eyes to the problem. The alligators need to be removed for the safety of the Villagers.

The post you responded to was NOT from me, even though it seems that it is labeled as such.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

It is extremely rare for a person to be attacked by an alligator although the media loves to exploit these unusual occurrences.

You do realize that thousands of people fish & swim in Florida lakes and rivers that also have alligators. I was kayaking at Three Sisters Springs/Kings Bay/Crystal River last week and there were literally over 100 swimmers, snorkelers, and scuba divers. It is a popular spot to see manatees but as with all bodies of water in Florida there are also alligators. Next week I am going to Juniper Springs where swimming is also popular and there are also alligators. I am also taking a kayak paddle down the Silver Springs river known for its glass bottom boat tours, alligators, monkeys and manatees.

The woman who was killed recently was foolish enough to walk her dog by the waters edge. The alligator went after the dog but it ran away & in front of the woman who was then a target of opportunity. Humans are not alligator's preferred food but alligators will definitely go after a dog.

People just need to use some common sense when they are in a wildlife setting. Bears, wolves, coyotes, cougars, wild boars, etc. share our spaces but this is no reason to avoid a hike in the forest unless all of these predators are removed and killed.

As for The Villages, stay on the paths, don't allow your pet near the water and you will be safe & sound.

Stop applying logic and reason to what is clearly an emotional argument!