[robsherry]

Originally Posted by metalic

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

It's not worth responding to.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Harold.wiser

The climate has been changing on this planet for the last 4.3 billion years, give or take a few million, and it will continue to change for the next 4.3 billion years.
Taking away my gas stove and putting me on a horse and buggy won't change the weather.

Get rid of your gas stove and get on a horse and buggy. Let's find out for sure. That's the only way to prove what you say.

[montysl]

Very few scientists will argue that there are changes in our climate. MANY, however, will dispute the causes. As another posted, our climate changes on a cyclical basis and has since the Earth was formed. One needs only to look at the preboreal and boreal stages of the Holocene epoch to find VERY similar climate change (and just as rapid) as we are experiencing a small part of now. I guess a variation of “those that forget/dismiss/change history are doomed to repeat it” applies here. If we don’t consider ALL the facts, and just react when some claim the sky is falling, we’ll believe it’s falling too!

[Keithtama]

You’re captured by the narrative. The truly remarkable scientists in the climate world have been marginalized and censored. The climate is evolving always. Man and CO2 are not major contributors.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Rwirish

Nothing has changed, look at history.

"NOTHING HAS CHANGED"? How may continents are there? Where are the dinosaurs? YES! Look at history! EVERYTHING has changed!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Okay, I'll bite.

So there was a hurricane, in hurricane plagued Florida, during hurricane season. This has been happening for centuries. What does climate change have to do with it?

Climate Change IS Global Warming and there are RECORDED temperatures to PROVE IT. Alaska and Russia in the Arctic zone have temperatures 4 times the average normal temperatures - recorded temperatures to prove Global Warming. Also the tundra in those areas is unfrozen and that worries Scientists. The whole earth is warmer and even Antarctica is melting.
......Closer to home - The Gulf of Mexico is now at a record 86 degrees in spots. That has provided the engine that has powered the latest hurricanes Francine and Milton. One reason to CARE is that Francine killed over 220 people and counting and Milton is 17 deaths and counting.
.......With the Gulf at record temperatures, it is possible to have a 3rd killer Hurricane this year in Florida. And what about next summer? The increased population of the Earth will mean more methane and CO2 produced by industry, coal burning, automobiles, and gas golf carts. Which means more reflected HEAT NEXT YEAR.
.........There is one positive government action going on. We don't need coal and natural gas to generate our electricity - we are the sunshine state. In California during the day 100% of that states electricity comes from natural sources, wind and solar. At night some energy comes from storage batteries. Overall, California has produced a 30% increase in natural energy in the last year. And note to Florida as the Sunshine state we could do better. wonder what holds us back?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Yeah, Global Warming was just sooooo passé and debunked ... let's dream up a new "cause célèbre".

The scientific/historic evidence for so-called global warming and climate change to be an issue is so ludicrous, it's laughable.

Really as I understand it, 80% of US citizens believe Global Warming is real. Don't forget that the younger people are aware of it more that the older people because they have a whole long lifetime to have to fight against Global Warming. Global warming can be proved by world temperature increases that are recorded by scientists. It has gone up rapidly in the last 5 years. It is proven by measurements of the rise of the world's oceans. Over 50% of land and water animals and plants are endangered. It is a MAIN PROBLEM discussed at the United Nations meetings. Killer Hurricanes are forming up quicker than 5 years ago. People in Florida are becoming more aware and leaving quicker. I wonder how that will affect tourist money coming to Florida each summer in the future?

[justjim]

About Climate Change: That great philosopher Andy Rooney is quoted “People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe”. And so it is with climate change.

[Red Rose]

Mother Nature will always be in charge and the weather can’t be controlled. The Earth is in constant change. The one thing we can control is making sure individually that we don’t pollute our little corners of the world. Discard trash in the bins and set it out for trash day. If you fish, don’t throw your used up fishing lines into the water, don’t throw trash overboard if you are out there boating and be alert so you don’t kill Manatees or other sea creatures. Don’t throw trash out of your car windows.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Man does not change climate...Climate changes man.
I know the usual band of Dunning-Kruger TeeVee-watching death cultists will disagree.

"Man does not change climate" That was true up until about 20 or 30 years ago and each year it becomes LESS TRUE. Look at a graph of population increase and about 1950 it starts SHOOTING UP to 8 billion people. Most scientists believe in MAN-MADE Global Warming. All those scientists are NOT going to be wrong.

[biker1]

See post #9. The timescale of the anthropogenic warming is 200 years. Don’t confuse the science with politics. Those who actually look at the numbers will tell you that we have little ability to reduce CO2 emissions until probably the latter half of the century. The world derives about 80% of its energy from hydrocarbons. It will take some time to bend that curve down. Meanwhile, we will continue to warm and there will be consequences but nothing that we can’t adapt to. Regarding hurricanes and anthropogenic warming, there is no real evidence of any impact on hurricanes from anthropogenic warming. However, climate modeling suggests that in the future we may see less hurricanes but the ones we do see may be stronger. Our reliable record of hurricanes is only about 60 years old.

Originally Posted by swilkinson

There is a difference between believing in climate change and understanding if the climate is changing as part of a natural planetary cycle or is it due to human intervention. 11,000 years ago was the end of the last ice age. It eneded because the planet temperature rose and the sea level rose 400 feet. My question to all the climate change jockies is this: how many people were driving cars and heating there homes with fossil fuel 11,000 years ago??? Your problem with credibility is that you can't prove if this is a natural planetary cycle or human intervention, can you! On top of that, you people who want to kill the US fossil fuel industry don't understand that if the US stopped burning fossil fuel, there would be no improvement becasue china is building dozens of coal plants and they, and the reswt of the world, are 95% of the alleged problem. Further more, it takes fossil fuel to dig up the lithium for electric vehicle batteries, and if that is not enough for you to smarten up, where do you think the electricity comes from to power electric vehicles? Just use common sense. Maybe you should focus on US clean water and clean air.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rwirish

Nothing has changed, look at history.

What has changed.....let me count the ways. Broward County is building sea walls because they KNOW that the oceans are rising. The coral reefs are dying which will affect the Florida sport fishing industry------negatively. If we lived in Alaska we would be seeing greater changes in the environment than here. Hurricane Milton spawned many more tornadoes than anyone expected. The graph of world population is recently going straight up; that is a change that will affect everything.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Yeah, Global Warming was just sooooo passé and debunked ... let's dream up a new "cause célèbre".

The scientific/historic evidence for so-called global warming and climate change to be an issue is so ludicrous, it's laughable.

Please join this century; you are clearly stuck in the last century. Global warming is real - consider sea water temperatures in the Gulf that caused the previously unknown intensification of Milton.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by waterflower

Because they are ringing bells to deflect the frequency/energy of HAARP-1billon watts/geoenginering. Frequencies can be used for good-tuning fork or bad-rap music, wireless headphones, microwave ovens, etc.Thank God for Nikola Tesla,Dr Raymond Rife (and more) for giving us healing frequencies. The #1 reason the man behind the curtain can continue to destroy the planet is most people can not believe they are so soulless/heartless. Research patient# US20100072297A1.This is good start to understand what is happening. BTW-oil is not a fossil fuel. It is as aboudant as water on this planet.Remember who OPEC is and what they stand for.

"oil is as abundant as water" ......Well the Earth has been called a "WATER planet". So now we should call the Earth an OIL PLANET ????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by swilkinson

There is a difference between believing in climate change and understanding if the climate is changing as part of a natural planetary cycle or is it due to human intervention. 11,000 years ago was the end of the last ice age. It eneded because the planet temperature rose and the sea level rose 400 feet. My question to all the climate change jockies is this: how many people were driving cars and heating there homes with fossil fuel 11,000 years ago??? Your problem with credibility is that you can't prove if this is a natural planetary cycle or human intervention, can you! On top of that, you people who want to kill the US fossil fuel industry don't understand that if the US stopped burning fossil fuel, there would be no improvement becasue china is building dozens of coal plants and they, and the reswt of the world, are 95% of the alleged problem. Further more, it takes fossil fuel to dig up the lithium for electric vehicle batteries, and if that is not enough for you to smarten up, where do you think the electricity comes from to power electric vehicles? Just use common sense. Maybe you should focus on US clean water and clean air.

If a person wants "clean air" they should advocate for Electrical vehicles because electrical power CAN come from clean sources and NOT COAL AND NATURAL GAS. California gets 70% of their electrical power from solar and wind. They are moving toward 100%. Florida is the "Sunshine State" so they could move away from their present use of natural gas.