[JustSomeGuy]

Yes, the climate is changing. One would think those who fear man's impact on the speed of this change would encourage the USA to become a dominate supplier and processor of fossil fuels BECAUSE we do it cleaner and with much more focus on environmental impact than those counties who bring their dirtier processed fuels into our country after shipping them half way across the world.

Is the climate better off with oil sourced and refined in the USA or with the same product processed in South America, Mid-East or Asian state owed companies that have doubled their production since 1990?

80 Percent of Global CO2 Emissions Come From Just 57 Companies, Report Shows | Smithsonian

[SoCalGal]

Man-made climate change. What a money grab.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That Hurricane Milton sure was caused by Haitians peeing into the ocean. No. Probably by all the factory smoke from places all over the world the last 400 years or so making the air more polluted and the seas warmer .

3 pages in and this is the closest post to normal science so far.

[jimjamuser]

3 pages in and this is the closest post to normal science so far.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by phylt

Oh... I so miss the days of GLOBAL WARMING. Then when THAT was challenged, "they" changed the moniker to CLIMATE CHANGE. No it's CLIMATE CRISIS.

I loved when our Governor, during a Press Conference a couple days ago answered a question re... Climate Change, with specific HISTORIC FACTS AND DATA (off the top of his head) debunking the "ever-worsening" hurricanes...

IMO We are so fortunate to have him leading Florida.

I wonder how to "DEBUNK" the fact that the Gulf water is at 86 degrees in some areas.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Steve

The only problem with that logic is if the air is more polluted less sunlight, hence less heat, would get through the atmosphere. So the seas wouldn't be warmer. They'd be cooler. Must be that our atmosphere is too clean!

The pollution rises to the upper atmosphere causing a layer to form that reflects (refracts is more accurate) solar heat waves back to the earth. To check on this read about the tundra melting in Alaska and Russia.

[bopat]

Interesting the most alarmed are also the ones who own beach property:
- John Kerry spent $11.75 million in 2017 for a sprawling estate on the beach in Martha’s Vineyard. The property includes more than 18 acres of land on which his seven-bedroom home sits, overlooking the Vineyard Sound
- Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, have added a house in secluded Montecito to their real estate holdings. The couple spent $8,875,000 on a gated ocean-view villa on 1 1/2 acres with a swimming pool, spa and fountains, according to real estate sources familiar with the deal.
- Michelle and the former president, Barack Obama, purchased an ocean-front compound in Martha's Vineyard in 2020 for $11.75 million – and have since enjoyed the property and its proximity to the iconic Massachusetts coastline.
- In the summer of 2017, the Bidens bought a house on the Delaware Shore for $2.7 million. Overlooking Cape Henlopen State Park and just a couple blocks from the beach, the three-story home has six bedrooms, expansive porches, views of the Atlantic Ocean, and a backyard built for entertaining, with an outdoor kitchen, BBQ, and fireplace.

- Not long after his failed 2008 presidential bid, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee bought a beachfront plot in the Florida Panhandle and built a three-story, 10,000-square-foot mansion, with six bedrooms, seven-and-a-half bathrooms, and a pool.
- In 1985, Donald Trump, primarily a businessman and real estate investor at the time, acquired Mar-a-Lago and used it as a residence. In 1994 he converted it into the Mar-a-Lago Club, a members-only club with guest rooms, a spa, and other hotel-style amenities.

I always wanted to get into planting trees for carbon credits, especially here in The Villages. If we all got together we could probably earn some carbon credits we could sell!

But those in the know know - climate change is yesterday's news.
The next crisis is a big shortage of fresh water. Several states have limits on collecting your own rainwater:

- Colorado: The only state where rainwater harvesting is illegal, except for two rain barrels with a capacity of up to 110 gallons
- Utah: You can collect up to 2,500 gallons of rainwater from your property, but you need a permit to set up a rainwater harvesting system
- Kansas and North Dakota: May require a permit to harvest rainwater
- California: The Rainwater Capture Act of 2012 allows homeowners, property owners, government agencies, and business owners to harvest rainwater as long as it’s for approved purposes.
- Georgia: Rainwater is tightly regulated by the Department of Natural Resources and must only be applied for outdoor use.

Arizona, Utah, Colorado and California are fighting over fresh water from the Colorado River. What's weird is California has an almost unlimited source of fresh water to the west of it, just needs filtering and treatment. Other countries do it. But apparently California, with all their high tech gadgets and brainpower, can't figure it out.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

Funny, we used to call it the 4 seasons. It got hot in the summer and cold in the winter. If I remember correctly, there have been tornados, hurricanes, blizzards, droughts, and Flash floods since the beginning of man.

If there were really climate change, the polar ice caps were all going to melt, and the sea levels are going to rise, then why are the banks loaning money to buy ocean front property? Why do all the climate change panderers have ocean front property?

Thank God there is climate change, or we would have a good size portion of our country covered in glaciers. Do you even know what percentage of our atmosphere is green house gas? 0.04% at 0.02 life on earth ceases to exist. Plants need C02 to produce oxygen. At 0.02% they can no longer produce oxygen. Stop tearing up farmers fields to put in solar farms. They are killing us all.

The Amazon Rain Forest normally produces a lot of oxygen for the world. The problem is that for greed people are cutting down the trees to produce farm land. That's happening in the US also. Forests also absorb pollution and produce oxygen. While providing people with recreational areas. There may be too many passengers on the spaceship Earth.

[biker1]

Why do you keep saying these things? There is no reflection or refraction. That is factually incorrect as I have pointed out to you in the past. There is absorption and reemission. There is also no accumulation in the upper atmosphere and CO2 is hardly a pollutant. As I have pointed out to you in the past, this has been researched and published. CO2 is a well mixed gas below about 12 kms.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The pollution rises to the upper atmosphere causing a layer to form that reflects (refracts is more accurate) solar heat waves back to the earth. To check on this read about the tundra melting in Alaska and Russia.

[biker1]

CA gets about 27% of its power from solar and wind, not 70%. You can look this stuff up.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If a person wants "clean air" they should advocate for Electrical vehicles because electrical power CAN come from clean sources and NOT COAL AND NATURAL GAS. California gets 70% of their electrical power from solar and wind. They are moving toward 100%. Florida is the "Sunshine State" so they could move away from their present use of natural gas.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

On the other hand, mankind IS really powerful. Man must have created "TIME" because man created clocks and the result was that we have TIME. We didn't have changing climate until mankind created "climate change" right? Therefore, mankind invented (caused) climate change. There, pretty simple. Now, pay me lots of money and I will go on tour with my scientific conclusion and everyone will be happy because by paying me, they will be acknowledging that man is evil and that we can stop all these climate crises.

I don't think that we (the retiring generation) can stop Climate Change, but people age 15 and the generation after them had better come up with better solutions than we have. They have to stop the Earth from becoming UNLIVABLE. And wars and disease have been known to lower the population.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Lottoguy

You picked a terrible example for your response. Why not mention the polar ice caps melting, grass growing in the artic, 90's in Alaska, the Venice flooding, the highest summer temps in history in 2024, record drought in Africa, small snow caps in the Andes. Just a few verifiable examples.

After 50 responses, finally one that brings together science and examples. Good job!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Get rid of your gas stove and get on a horse and buggy. Let's find out for sure. That's the only way to prove what you say.

By the year 2090 (after the wars and diseases) people may be devoluted back to using wood stoves and horses to pull a plow.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The climate changes, it's been changing since the moment the planet existed, and will continue to change until it dies. Humans have contributed to the speed of the change - from hollowing out millions of miles of the subsurface in the form of drilling and mining, to overdevelopment and destruction of forests and natural water resources, creating hydroelectric dams that change where the water goes and how it goes there, etc. etc. etc.

I think it's actually amusing in a pretty sad sort of way, that the people who insist "the gubbamint" is cloud-seeding and manipulating the weather, are the same people who vehemently deny that people contribute to our ever-changing climate.

[Pachine58]

Originally Posted by Byte1

"Deniers?" I believe in climate change. I just don't believe in man being able to manipulate the climate. If so, then why doesn't someone control the hurricanes and keep them out to sea or confine them to desert regions? Does that make me a "denier?" On the other hand, man(and women) do lend a hand in air pollution.

You need to learn the science behind how they use weather manipulation to create rain in Dubia . Weather manipulation has been around for years.