[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by montysl

Very few scientists will argue that there are changes in our climate. MANY, however, will dispute the causes. As another posted, our climate changes on a cyclical basis and has since the Earth was formed. One needs only to look at the preboreal and boreal stages of the Holocene epoch to find VERY similar climate change (and just as rapid) as we are experiencing a small part of now. I guess a variation of “those that forget/dismiss/change history are doomed to repeat it” applies here. If we don’t consider ALL the facts, and just react when some claim the sky is falling, we’ll believe it’s falling too!

Recorded temperatures only go back to 1850. And only in the last 5 years has record temperatures been reached. And that is confirmed by ocean rise increasing in the last 5 years. Coral reefs are dying. And 70% of all plant and animal species are in danger. Never before in Earth's history has there been 8 billion people on the planet until NOW. And studying the polar areas reveals recent changes. All these changes can NOT be ignored.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

See post #9. The timescale of the anthropogenic warming is 200 years. Don’t confuse the science with politics. Those who actually look at the numbers will tell you that we have little ability to reduce CO2 emissions until probably the latter half of the century. The world derives about 80% of its energy from hydrocarbons. It will take some time to bend that curve down. Meanwhile, we will continue to warm and there will be consequences but nothing that we can’t adapt to. Regarding hurricanes and anthropogenic warming, there is no real evidence of any impact on hurricanes from anthropogenic warming. However, climate modeling suggests that in the future we may see less hurricanes but the ones we do see may be stronger. Our reliable record of hurricanes is only about 60 years old.

At the RATE we are warming, I doubt that we will be able to adapt to it. Maybe a huge nuclear war to reduce the world population to 4 billion would do it. But even then the Earth would be SLOW to repair itself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

Please join this century; you are clearly stuck in the last century. Global warming is real - consider sea water temperatures in the Gulf that caused the previously unknown intensification of Milton.

True, good post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy

Yes, the climate is changing. One would think those who fear man's impact on the speed of this change would encourage the USA to become a dominate supplier and processor of fossil fuels BECAUSE we do it cleaner and with much more focus on environmental impact than those counties who bring their dirtier processed fuels into our country after shipping them half way across the world.

Is the climate better off with oil sourced and refined in the USA or with the same product processed in South America, Mid-East or Asian state owed companies that have doubled their production since 1990?

80 Percent of Global CO2 Emissions Come From Just 57 Companies, Report Shows | Smithsonian

A good article.

[biker1]

I really don’t understand why anyone would state that they doubt mankind will adapt, particularly when no data is presented to support such as opinion. This runs contrary to the history of mankind.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

At the RATE we are warming, I doubt that we will be able to adapt to it. Maybe a huge nuclear war to reduce the world population to 4 billion would do it. But even then the Earth would be SLOW to repair itself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

Why do you keep saying these things? There is no reflection or refraction. That is factually incorrect as I have pointed out to you in the past. There is absorption and reemission. There is also no accumulation in the upper atmosphere and CO2 is hardly a pollutant. As I have pointed out to you in the past, this has been researched and published. CO2 is a well mixed gas below about 12 kms.

Because it is true. It is called the GREENHOUSE EFFECT. It is very simple to Google.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

I really don’t understand why anyone would state that they doubt mankind will adapt, particularly when no data is presented to support such as opinion. This runs contrary to the history of mankind.

Well none other that Winston Churchill said that America ALWAYS does the RIGHT thing after all other possibilities have been tried. i am only, basically agreeing with him. Some people actually most people) believe that Global Warming is NOT a big problem. That's what they tell interviewers that have recently asked them. They say inflation, the economy, taxes, insurance costs and the price of gas are the BIG problems.. Global Warming usually does NOT make the top ten. You have to see past your nose and read a lot to understand that Global Warming is the "BIG DADDY problem" in the room, we call Earth. Inflation, taxes, the economy and insurance can ALL be FIXED in the short term even reversed) and are NOT life or death. Global Warming IS life and death and some people believe that it is past being reversed or fixed. I tend to think that it can be reversed, but not easily and not quickly.
.....And I can have an opinion without quoting some source. Opinions are defined that way. My lifetime IS my source.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by biker1

I really don’t understand why anyone would state that they doubt mankind will adapt, particularly when no data is presented to support such as opinion. This runs contrary to the history of mankind.

Right! We will adapt! 1/2 of the remaining humans will live above ground. The other 1/2 , below. The surface dwellers will be reduced to surviving on the few plants and fruits they can find. The ground dwellers will survive by eating the surface people. There is a book that tells all about it. 😯

[biker1]

We have experienced some anthropogenic warming and will experience some additional. Suggesting, as you often do, that it is essentially the end of the world is nonsense. Also, suggesting that people should “save the planet” by buying an electric scooter or golf cart, as you often do, is also nonsense. All of the autos in the US only contributes about 2-3% of the global CO2 emissions each year. Your rhetoric is just as bad as those who think there is no anthropogenic warming.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well none other that Winston Churchill said that America ALWAYS does the RIGHT thing after all other possibilities have been tried. i am only, basically agreeing with him. Some people actually most people) believe that Global Warming is NOT a big problem. That's what they tell interviewers that have recently asked them. They say inflation, the economy, taxes, insurance costs and the price of gas are the BIG problems.. Global Warming usually does NOT make the top ten. You have to see past your nose and read a lot to understand that Global Warming is the "BIG DADDY problem" in the room, we call Earth. Inflation, taxes, the economy and insurance can ALL be FIXED in the short term even reversed) and are NOT life or death. Global Warming IS life and death and some people believe that it is past being reversed or fixed. I tend to think that it can be reversed, but not easily and not quickly.
.....And I can have an opinion without quoting some source. Opinions are defined that way. My lifetime IS my source.

[DARFAP]

Originally Posted by metalic

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Climate change is BS. Find something more worthwhile to post.

[biker1]

Reread my post. What you stated is factually incorrect. This cannot be disputed.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Because it is true. It is called the GREENHOUSE EFFECT. It is very simple to Google.

[biker1]

I think I would prefer to be a Morlock than an Eloi.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Right! We will adapt! 1/2 of the remaining humans will live above ground. The other 1/2 , below. The surface dwellers will be reduced to surviving on the few plants and fruits they can find. The ground dwellers will survive by eating the surface people. There is a book that tells all about it. 😯

[BrianL99]

Climate change is a hoax.

Always has been.


https://x.com/i/status/1844820519561912741

[biker1]

Believe what you want, nobody cares and no decision makers will listen to you.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Climate change is a hoax.

Always has been.


https://x.com/i/status/1844820519561912741

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Climate change is a hoax.

Always has been.


https://x.com/i/status/1844820519561912741

Originally Posted by biker1

Believe what you want, nobody cares and no decision makers will listen to you.

"Global Warming" was a hoax and it's been debunked.

Replacing it with "Climate Change" was clever, but that too will be debunked, as soon as the liberal media finds another cause célèbre they think has traction.

People once believed the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. Believing in climate change is the current day equivalent.