[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Having an open mind is how we "doomsayers" are able to look at and evaluate all the evidence rather than only that which support our preconceived/preferred beliefs.

You don’t have an open mind. The topic is closed, no need for further discussion. That is what Algore has proclaimed. We are right and everyone else is wrong. Period. We’re you around in the 1960s? Ever see photos of the steel mills and the pollution they spewed? We don’t have that now. Why all of a sudden will the earth become inhabitable in 12 years?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

You don’t have an open mind. The topic is closed, no need for further discussion. That is what Algore has proclaimed. We are right and everyone else is wrong. Period. We’re you around in the 1960s? Ever see photos of the steel mills and the pollution they spewed? We don’t have that now. Why all of a sudden will the earth become inhabitable in 12 years?

Because certain people who think they know everything but do not, said so???

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

When oil is pumped out, it is under pressure.
When pressure drops, water is sucked into the void to take up the space left by extracted oil.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

Interesting theory. Fortunately for us, it doesn't work that way.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't know diddly about climate science. I know that the climate changes. I know that planets are destined to eventually die. I know that Earth is a planet, and therefore - is destined to eventually die. I know this takes billions of years. I'm okay with that, not gonna happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone's grandkids here, and the human race will probably have evolved into some other species by then anyway.

But I also know a little about mathematics. Not a lot - but definitely enough to see inconsistencies. So we have oil. Lots and lots of oil. I'll try and keep it in a perspective that even /I/ can understand. I have a big ball made of a layer of stone, with oil in pockets inside it. I dig into parts of the ball to build on other parts of it. So now that layer of stone is thinner than it was before I started. That's fine. Set that aside. Now let's drill a really deep deep hole into those oil pockets, and suck the oil out of them. We now have a ball with a thinned layer of rock covering hollow pockets. And we keep building, thinning the layers over there, adding heavy stuff over here.

As near as I can figure, eventually - those pockets are going to collapse. And everything NEAR them is also going to collapse. I think that's probably a really bad idea, to keep hollowing out those pockets at the rate we're hollowing them, and building nearby at the rate we're building.

Could you imagine an oil well underground in the ocean deciding "y'know what - I'm gonna just collapse now." Do you think that will NOT upset the ocean's depths? Do you think it will NOT cause some kind of chaos to the fish and other marine life living near that well? Do you think the chaos caused to those fish, won't affect the marine life that swims through that area seasonally and feeds on that marine life? Do you think it won't - eventually - have a profound effect on the human species?

I dunno. I just feel like we're dealing with a planet that's becoming hollowed out in spots, and those collapses will come, and they wouldn't have come, if we hadn't left those pockets alone. I think that will have an effect on our existence. I'm all for doing whatever is _practical_ at this stage, to slow that process down. Not stop it. Just slow it down.

Your thinking is good, but you are missing a puzzle piece or two. In the good old days they discovered that as they sucked out oil, the level dropped and they had to go deeper to get to the oil. They figured that, since oil floats on water, if they pumped water in the oil would float up to where they could reach it more easily. So, in some cases there is water where there used to be oil. No void.
There are lots of different ways to get to the oil nowadays.
I recall that as a child in So. Cal. off shore oil deposits would leak into the ocean. A day at the beach often ended by cleaning the tar off yourself. Ah, the good old days.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

Great video. And thank you for posting something that confirms what I've been posting all along. Of course, the brainwashed climate change cultists will find yet another way to avoid facing the facts.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

You don’t have an open mind. The topic is closed, no need for further discussion. That is what Algore has proclaimed. We are right and everyone else is wrong. Period. We’re you around in the 1960s? Ever see photos of the steel mills and the pollution they spewed? We don’t have that now. Why all of a sudden will the earth become inhabitable in 12 years?

You think my mind is closed? How would you know?
You insist the topic is closed, yet it goes on?
Who or what is an "Algore"? (being facetious 😀)
No photos needed. Saw the actual mills, factories and the pollution. And people poopooed the activists then, too.
FYI, been around since the 1940's.
"We don't have that now". Cleaner air thanks to the hated activists bring it to light. Most of pollution industries are over seas, bigger and badder than ever with population to match.
😓

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You think my mind is closed? How would you know?
You insist the topic is closed, yet it goes on?
Who or what is an "Algore"? (being facetious 😀)
No photos needed. Saw the actual mills, factories and the pollution. And people poopooed the activists then, too.
FYI, been around since the 1940's.
"We don't have that now". Cleaner air thanks to the hated activists bring it to light. Most of pollution industries are over seas, bigger and badder than ever with population to match.
😓

That's fine for Air Pollution, which is something that seems to be measurable. Not so for Climate Change. Can't measure how man can manipulate or change the Climate. Like I said before, unless there is a nuclear winter, I don't see how man is going to change the climate so that it is measurable. The climate has ALWAYS changed and will always change. Man can change the rotation of the Earth about as well as one ant can change the rotation. And if you think that man can stop the sun from burning out eventually, I would be very interested in hearing how. If man wishes to change the climate, he will have to build a great big bubble where he can control the climate inside.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Byte1

That's fine for Air Pollution, which is something that seems to be measurable. Not so for Climate Change. Can't measure how man can manipulate or change the Climate. Like I said before, unless there is a nuclear winter, I don't see how man is going to change the climate so that it is measurable. The climate has ALWAYS changed and will always change. Man can change the rotation of the Earth about as well as one ant can change the rotation. And if you think that man can stop the sun from burning out eventually, I would be very interested in hearing how. If man wishes to change the climate, he will have to build a great big bubble where he can control the climate inside.

I am glad that you get air polution, but air polution is only one part of the much larger and more complicated issue of climate change. The atmosphere, the oceans, the rainforests and the animal life, all contribute to the climate, along with the heat of the earth's core, rotation, orbital path, distance from the sun, pull of the moon, etc.
Some of these things we human can and do affect. Each individual may not have any noticeable affect. But, 8 billion (and increasing), with the help of our technology and equipment is noticeable. Not everyone is ready, willing or able to accept what science and world leaders overwhelmingly agree is a problem that needs to be addressed.
8 Billion people. Yep, thats more than enough to ruin a planet.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Here's the best thing I've ever heard on this subject. It really demonstrates ho people that disagree try to make an argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw

According to Wikipedia, Prager U is NOT an accredited University. Rather, an American advocacy group the creates videos
promoting a CONSERVATIVE viewpoint.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

When oil is pumped out, it is under pressure.
When pressure drops, water is sucked into the void to take up the space left by extracted oil.

Right. But the water doesn't come from god's holy drool. Do you think the sea level is NOT affected by all that water now filling those pockets where there used to be oil? And - that's just the oil wells in the ocean. The ones on land aren't magically turning into ponds.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Your thinking is good, but you are missing a puzzle piece or two. In the good old days they discovered that as they sucked out oil, the level dropped and they had to go deeper to get to the oil. They figured that, since oil floats on water, if they pumped water in the oil would float up to where they could reach it more easily. So, in some cases there is water where there used to be oil. No void.
There are lots of different ways to get to the oil nowadays.
I recall that as a child in So. Cal. off shore oil deposits would leak into the ocean. A day at the beach often ended by cleaning the tar off yourself. Ah, the good old days.

About 1956 on Lake Erie's beaches, tarballs about 3 inches in diameter were floating all around. They would create an almost permanent stain on skin and swimming trunks. Those were the days. "The days of wine and tarballs"!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You think my mind is closed? How would you know?
You insist the topic is closed, yet it goes on?
Who or what is an "Algore"? (being facetious 😀)
No photos needed. Saw the actual mills, factories and the pollution. And people poopooed the activists then, too.
FYI, been around since the 1940's.
"We don't have that now". Cleaner air thanks to the hated activists bring it to light. Most of pollution industries are over seas, bigger and badder than ever with population to match.
😓

We basically OUTSOURCED our own bad air and pollution to China. They used the money to increase their middle class at the expense of ours. Their population increased and creates a NEW source of environmental destruction. And their bad air becomes our bad air and their trapped pollution and excess heat circles the world and becomes our excess heat. Then the icing on the cake is that their giant industrial fishing fleet, illegally over-fish all the protein out of the world's oceans. That helps cause the coral reefs to die. We created the China monster. Now we have to pay that piper!