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Old 04-03-2020, 06:50 PM
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Sorry, but it is not some kind of statistical manipulation by scientists trying to fool you. There is an additional number that you didn't present. There are three categories. One is death, two is recovered meaning you are completely well, and third which is the largest group is still ill. That third group can go either way, die or get better. On the Johns Hopkins dashboard at this moment:

Total cases abt 1,100,000
Deaths 59,000
Recovered 225,000

Not shown is that third group, still being observed which would be abt 816,000.

The overall death rate is 59000/1100000 = .0536 or 5.36%



The information is out there........40k critical/serious & 775k mild conditions
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And mild cases are not considered recovered cases? Not arguing just trying to understand. These are cases with ‘outcomes’ so maybe the mild cases are not included, and you are right 20%.
You're missing a key component: "people who are currently sick, who don't qualify as recovered since they're still sick - and don't qualify as dead, since they're still alive."
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Old 04-03-2020, 07:22 PM
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You forgot about the 4th category, asymptomatic cases that are never diagnosed or counted. People that catch it, have no symptoms, don't get sick, are never counted. Estimates of this number are 10 times documented cases, which drops your death rate to .5%
That category is not included in the 4% or the 20%. Blueash's response was to the query regarding those specific percentage points - as in "why are people referring to these percentages?"

That 4th category can't count in those numbers, because that 4th category is an unknown factor. Estimates of that number can be 10x documented cases. It could be 500x documented cases. It could be half the amount of documented cases. Estimates mean zilch when it comes to unknown factors.

Then - there are the people who are sick - but don't have symptoms YET. That's a whole other ball of wax and again - they would not be counted in the current "what's the death rate?" query.
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Old 04-03-2020, 07:53 PM
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Thank you for explaining. Perhaps it’s stress but I had trouble figuring out the different stats around this virus. I have no good excuse I’m usually good with numbers.
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Old 04-03-2020, 08:30 PM
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Okay, so I buy the numbers that come from a lot of countries as being semi-correct but they give numbers for the world and it is so sketchy it is not about to get a grade of C-. So how do you get anything close to a good count when most countries can not even tell you how may people live in the country? Not denying it is bad but do numbers really matter? Testing and any other measurements are nothing more than a point on a scale. How about focusing on what is making a difference. Limited contact and distancing where close contact with others is required. Biggest to us is how would we feel if someone stupidly gave the virus to our loved ones? Keep that in your head and work to keep yourself and loved ones safe while knowing that everyone you see is a loved one of someone!!

Be safe but have humanity for all!!
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Old 04-04-2020, 04:25 AM
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I shudder to think of the numbers that will emerge from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh where the virus is just gaining ground
Those poor people will not stand a chance.
India has gone into lockdown, putting millions instantly out of work, no pay, and no food.
Starvation will feature there as well.
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Old 04-04-2020, 05:18 AM
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Read the 4th section regarding covering your mouth. Says “do NOT use masks designed for healthcare workers.”

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Wrong. The virus is in droplets (liquid), it’s absorbed by the mask fibers. Air is a gas and passed through the mask because it is made of permeable material. If you touch a mask that has a virus on the outside you will get it on your hands. This is why they say don’t reuse them and wash your hands.
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Old 04-04-2020, 05:59 AM
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Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.
Untrue. A virus particle is much larger than an atom of oxygen or nitrogen.
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Old 04-04-2020, 06:23 AM
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Because there are still over one million who are still infected and haven’t died or recovered yet.
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Old 04-04-2020, 06:32 AM
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Although this mayor may not be true you simply can not believe anything that you hear on CNN.
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Old 04-04-2020, 06:40 AM
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Do you worry that the mainstream media is fear-mongering? We "know" that this virus is spread from hand to face. Washing the hands and avoiding touching the face are the most important aspects. As for the airborne particles the studies I have read show that it is being in an enclosed environment with a cougher or sneezer for 25+ minutes ... that's what the docs were doing at the beginning but they have protection now. Fear is your enemy. Facts are your friends. Focus. Wash. Airborne is too minimal for serious concern.
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Old 04-04-2020, 06:51 AM
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Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.
Not necessarily. If the virus is in a water droplet, it might be contained by the mask and remain on the surface. The infection rate in parts of Asia where mask wearing is common is far below that of Europe where mask wearing is rare. Anecdotal, but worth some thought.
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Old 04-04-2020, 06:57 AM
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Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.
No, mask are not 100% effective, but they do help.
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Old 04-04-2020, 07:07 AM
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Masks are meant for single time use. After prolonged use, they become less and less affective. Continuous moisture from exhaling begins to make them less effective. It's no wonder healthcare workers are getting sick. In a normal hospital situation, one would NEVER reuse a mask, even worse yet, go from patient to patient with the same mask that is now contaminated on the exterior, too! This is outrageous.
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