[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Semantics again...General William Ward was relieved of command and stripped of one star because of lavish spending, General Petreaus resigned because of unacceptable behavior, and General Allen is being investigated because of email correspondence. None of these cases have anything to do with Bengazi.

Tomorrow General Petreaus will testify about Bengazi before a closed session of the Senate Intellegience Committee. Stay tuned.


General William Ward demoted for lavish travel, spending - Associated Press - POLITICO.com

Maybe, maybe not...time will tell.

[Mack184]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

What a disgusting comment! The man made a wedding vow to his wife and his word was no good to her. And..if your word is no good, then you are no good. The only thing a person truly has is their word. If you compromise that, then you truly posess nothing.

[SALYBOW]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Absolutely agree. The "immoral" aspect is of no consequence to you or me. BUT the underlying consequences of infiltration is of huge consequence. If you sign on for a position where the entire country is the ultimate recipient of your character choices, (and let's face it, are there anymore serious consequences?), you are supposed to be worthy of that position and willing to accept the parameters.

As for the timing of release, it is obvious.

I feel that they immoral part is an issue to me. We tried to raise our children to believe that one is monogamous in marriage The are trying to raise their children...my grandchildren... that way. With this all over the news and in their faces constantly it may be of consequence to their way of thinking.

Just my two cents...

[NotGolfer]

I have to wonder about all this!!! The main-stream media isn't known for actually giving us the true facts of something. Things are taken out of context, edited and so forth. It just seemed strange that the administration or whomever, brought this out at a weird time. Is it another "wag the dog"? I agree that what happened as far as an affair is concerned....that it's immoral. If not, then why do folks sneak around and try to keep things quiet? I say this without getting into the spiritual end of it! We can discuss this for 20 "pages" but none of us will make sense of this particular event, nor will we find a solution here. Wish we could get "political"!!!!!

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by Mr. Grampi II

He spent 10 years away from home and shared meaningful time with an attractive someone other than his wife, kinda like rubbing sticks together, eventually there is a spark...and then fire. I think there is a lesson in this for all of us if we are willing to look..

A few months ago we had dinner with a group of ten or so friends at Outback in TV and with the group was an Army Major General and his wife - he had also just returned from ten years in the middle east. Kinda makes my 13 months in Vietnam look like a vacation.

I believe that in Vietnam, flag officers had to serve two year tours (while everyone else went home after one year), however, their wives were billeted at Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines and had monthly visits from their husbands - wonder how that is currently handled?

Also, As I recall, Ike had a fondness for his female staff car driver after 3 years in England.

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[ilovetv]

Talk about skirting the real issue!

It's not so much about the affair. It's about a known threat to national security AND to our diplomatic corps AND our troops....

......that was allowed to CONTINUE after being found out, for the sake of a campaign FAÇADE of caring, trustworthy leadership at the very top.

[tainsley]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

You really can't be serious! What does his wife's looks have to do with his cheating? He wears a hairpiece and certainly looks his age...what do you find so attractive?

[Pturner]

The issue for the nation is national security. For his family, it is personal.

[Geewiz]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Talk about skirting the real issue!

It's not so much about the affair. It's about a known threat to national security AND to our diplomatic corps AND our troops....

......that was allowed to CONTINUE after being found out, for the sake of a campaign FAÇADE of caring, trustworthy leadership at the very top.

A threat to troops? You're joking, yes?

Suppressed information before an election? I guess Eric Cantor is a tool of Axelrod...cause he was the pol who got the scoop prior to the vote.

And the issue of security being compromised by a non-marital horizontal boogie....that is more the product of our puritan need for fidelity when - in fact - guys screw around...girls might not like it...but some clearly don't have that much of an issue with it as the girls involved were both married. People are people. You might not approve of their behavior...it might violate your personal morality...but, we need to stop holding our leaders up to a standard that a vast number of our population don't keep for themselves.

Sometimes our need for perfection from our leaders makes us far more vulnerable aside from denying us some of our best and brightest.

BTW - on a personal note...I think the CIA director is a smart/talented guy...but, his strategy in Afghanistan was a mess and a failure. You want to remove him for that...I'm all in...but, for an affair...that's just wacky. It's time we kept our collective noses out of others' bedrooms.

[wendyquat]

My bet is there is VERY much more to this than has been made known! I hope he can stay safe before his testimony Friday!

[Mack184]

Originally Posted by Pturner

The issue for the nation is national security. For his family, it is personal.

While it is personal for his family, it's one thing if you're Joe Bagadonuts and nobody cares who you are, but if you're on the world's center stage, and something like this happens it's not quite easily to deal with it "as a family" while the whole world watches.

Regarding national security, those foreign governments who seek to compromise us look for weaknesses in people whether it be debt, gambling, drinking or a wandering eye. People caught up in such acts are easy to blackmail. With all of the general's experience he should know exactly this. For him to compromise himself, his nation and his family for a roll in the hay is mind-boggling.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Mack184

While it is personal for his family, it's one thing if you're Joe Bagadonuts and nobody cares who you are, but if you're on the world's center stage, and something like this happens it's not quite easily to deal with it "as a family" while the whole world watches.

Regarding national security, those foreign governments who seek to compromise us look for weaknesses in people whether it be debt, gambling, drinking or a wandering eye. People caught up in such acts are easy to blackmail. With all of the general's experience he should know exactly this. For him to compromise himself, his nation and his family for a roll in the hay is mind-boggling.

But then, some will be excused because "it depends on what the definition of 'IS' is".

[Geewiz]

You can only "blackmail" someone if they are trying to hide something. What if someone tried to blackmail the CIA director about his affair and his response was, "have a party. It's no secret...the White House knows...my wife knows...they might not be happy about it but, they also don't approve of the moles on my neck. Life is complex and I really don't give a cr*p about what you publish. In the end - you'll look more like a jerk than me." End of story...we all like having sex and that's OK.

[Skybo]

Putting all of the morality and legal issues aside, the absurdity of it all just boggles the mind.

The Director of the CIA uses a gmail account to “secretly” correspond with his girlfriend?

The girlfriend (an educated 40 year old woman) sends harassing emails to her “rival” and she actually thinks that it can’t be detected because she’s using an anonymizer site?

Are the inmates running the asylum?

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Skybo

Putting all of the morality and legal issues aside, the absurdity of it all just boggles the mind.

The Director of the CIA uses a gmail account to “secretly” correspond with his girlfriend?

The girlfriend (an educated 40 year old woman) sends harassing emails to her “rival” and she actually thinks that it can’t be detected because she’s using an anonymizer site?

Are the inmates running the asylum?

Yes, they are. And people wonder why we don't trust Washington politicians and why we want exceedingly LESS of their "leadership" and "vision for our future".