[Geewiz]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Yes, they are. And people wonder why we don't trust Washington politicians and why we want exceedingly LESS of their "leadership" and "vision for our future".

Aside from being a partisan post ...it's dumb. Folks in private industry (I guess Mr. Waffle House is now on the griddle) are as subject to human failings as military guys and politicians (I love the repub who was caught trying to have anonymous sex in a men's room..."Honest officer, I tripped and fell against that man's organ.") This is not a left or right thing...we (especially guys) are prone to have sex without commitment...it might not be a good thing...a "moral" thing...but, it happens. Handle it.

I would rather support a politician who is honest about his/her political positions and government employees who work for the common good as directed by their elected bosses than a "proper moral person" who is probably just a good fiber. This has zero - zip - nada about the value of government. It has no more truth about the institution of government than priests who rape alter boys have about the value and truth of the church. Easy conclusions are foolish.

[Skybo]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

You can only "blackmail" someone if they are trying to hide something. What if someone tried to blackmail the CIA director about his affair and his response was, "have a party. It's no secret...the White House knows...my wife knows...they might not be happy about it but, they also don't approve of the moles on my neck. Life is complex and I really don't give a cr*p about what you publish. In the end - you'll look more like a jerk than me." End of story...we all like having sex and that's OK.

I understand what you are saying Geewiz, but that’s not how it works with security clearances. Before you are ever entrusted with a clearance, you sign documents in which you agree that you will not put yourself into a position to be blackmailed. In other words, you don’t have to actually be blackmailed...you can't even behave in a way that might invite blackmail. And, that’s as it should be, for obvious reasons.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

Aside from being a partisan post ...it's dumb. Folks in private industry (I guess Mr. Waffle House is now on the griddle) are as subject to human failings as military guys and politicians (I love the repub who was caught trying to have anonymous sex in a men's room..."Honest officer, I tripped and fell against that man's organ.") This is not a left or right thing...we (especially guys) are prone to have sex without commitment...it might not be a good thing...a "moral" thing...but, it happens. Handle it.

I would rather support a politician who is honest about his/her political positions and government employees who work for the common good as directed by their elected bosses than a "proper moral person" who is probably just a good fiber. This has zero - zip - nada about the value of government. It has no more truth about the institution of government than priests who rape alter boys have about the value and truth of the church. Easy conclusions are foolish.

Spot on.

[Geewiz]

Originally Posted by Skybo

I understand what you are saying Geewiz, but that’s not how it works with security clearances. Before you are ever entrusted with a clearance, you sign documents in which you agree that you will not put yourself into a position to be blackmailed. In other words, you don’t have to actually be blackmailed...you can't even behave in a way that might invite blackmail. And, that’s as it should be, for obvious reasons.

I had a security clearance...aside from the need to pee in a cup and pay my bills on time...very little else was expected. I had access to info you couldn't even imagine...and everyday...in every way...I kept true to serving all of you and keeping my mouth shut unless there was a business need to speak. They used to send me to hacking classes...I hung out with the guys who make real mischief and they taught me a lot. And I taught them nada. Life in the grey zone was very interesting. My moral compass had zero influence from Mr. Jolly. I was more than happy to share with my bosses the details about my life. My problems with bosses only started when a certain supervisor was using his sexual needs to pressure younger female employees. I was pretty quick to call him out on it and he was pretty quick to deep 6 my career. Such is life. At least - as of now, the girls are OK and I'm moving down to TV to enjoy the good life.

[Skybo]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

I had a security clearance...aside from the need to pee in a cup and pay my bills on time...very little else was expected. I had access to info you couldn't even imagine...and everyday...in every way...I kept true to serving all of you and keeping my mouth shut unless there was a business need to speak. They used to send me to hacking classes...I hung out with the guys who make real mischief and they taught me a lot. And I taught them nada. Life in the grey zone was very interesting. My moral compass had zero influence from Mr. Jolly. I was more than happy to share with my bosses the details about my life. My problems with bosses only started when a certain supervisor was using his sexual needs to pressure younger female employees. I was pretty quick to call him out on it and he was pretty quick to deep 6 my career. Such is life. At least - as of now, the girls are OK and I'm moving down to TV to enjoy the good life.

General Petraeus, is that you?

[Geewiz]

Naw - just your basic systems security anti-fraud fed. Not so special...but, more knowledgeable than his bosses (not that this was much a reach). On the upside - for a non-law and order guy there are plenty of folks in Fed supplied housing behind razor wire because they thought no one could suss out their little games. Stupid crooks kinda make my day. Meet me at Katie Belle's and I could share some fun stories about foolish thieves. And remember - it was your money they were ripping off.

[Geewiz]

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

[jebartle]

I'm just saying...He should have known better...If I was trying to keep a secret, I sure would not put it in writing!

Originally Posted by Geewiz

Actually he wasn't sending e-mails. He was using a little known hacker technique of sharing a g-mail account with a password known to those on the inside (in this case - the director and his lover) and storing the e-mails as drafts. Assuming the password is very complex...it's very hard to access unless you have access to the actual computers used to write to the accounts. Of course, now it's not so secret of a technique and wanna bet that lovers everywhere will start using it? Plus drug dealers...inside stock traders...and the occasional terrorist.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

Pay taxes. Buy groceries. Buy gas.

[NotGolfer]

Sometimes folks with power think they're above all else and can't be touched.
Richard Nixon is an example of that I think. Put a person on a pedestal and they'll get knocked off, one way or another is another cliche that comes to mind with this thread.

[Jhooman]

He betrayed himself and his family. Reading history this type of behavior has been a norm for men in power. I'm not surprised, just very disappointed that he abused his position, hurt his family and country.

[perrjojo]

Today's Daily Sun article....Five Generals in trouble rock US military culture.
At least 5 current and former U.S. generals at the rank of one star or higher have been reprimanded or investigated for possible misconduct in the past two week.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

.....This is not a left or right thing...we (especially guys) are prone to have sex without commitment...it might not be a good thing...a "moral" thing...but, it happens. Handle it......

"We"? I am glad you are speaking for yourself there. I would guess that the majority of TOTV people (especially married people) do not have a tendency to have sex without commitment. And IMHO the best way to "handle it".... is NOT to "handle it"!

[gomoho]

Geewiz I don't agree to "just handle it". Kids like to experiement with drugs should we "just handle it"? I don't think it is expecting too much for someone to honor their commitment and follow their own moral compass. Just 'cause you have an itch doesn't mean you have to scratch it.

[Taltarzac725]

Infidelity Statistics - Truth About Deception

I have a lot more problems with Petraeus' sharing classified information than with his marital infidelity. That seems more of a problem between David Petraeus, Holly Petraeus and their kids.

We also do not seem to know that much about what kind of classified information the mistress/biographer had. A biographer would probably have access to some secrets that the rest of us would not.