[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

It’s not negativity about new technology, it’s negativity about the lack of technology. When an EV offers exactly what I have in my ICE without pollution, I’m on board. It’s not even close at this point. And I think when mentioning vehicle maintenance, you forgot the $4,000.+ for battery replacements and disposal.

If the powers that be worked to develop interest in hybrids, you would see far more support.

How much did it cost you the last time you replaced your car engine and disposed of the old one? In the last 40+ years that I have owned cars it has cost me exactly $0, which is how much I expect to spend to replace and dispose of EV batteries as well.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

How much did it cost you the last time you replaced your car engine and disposed of the old one?

We drove Honda’s, Toyota’s and Lexus which were all good for over 250,000 miles. We never replaced a motor. We didn’t buy new cars very often but we weren’t into the newest look.

Who can afford to lay out the coin for a hybrid vehicle and then another $4000 for a battery replacement? I’m not trying knock the EV’s, I’m trying to tell you why people don’t want them shoved down their throats before all the necessary technology and cost efficiency is provided.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Sure, let's talk about it. Go and read the article and then point out where that is a skewed interpretation (it will save me the trouble of copying/pasting half of the quotes)

Lol, I’m the who recommended the article here in the first place.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Internal combustion engine. You know like 95% on road.

Thanks. I know now when I Googled it and read about it.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Nuclear Energy generation is WAY, WAY safer than it was 40 years ago. There are solar, wind, tides, thermal, and hydroelectricity as methods of generating electricity. Fossil fuel use does NOT have to be eliminated, just minimized.

I promoted the development of nuclear, (fusion), energy earlier here.

I propose that upon the development of total electrical vehicles, all airline use is discontinued with the exception of military. Also, we need to dismantle all the cruise ships other than military transports. Now you’re really knocking a big hole in pollution.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

We drove Honda’s, Toyota’s and Lexus which were all good for over 250,000 miles. We never replaced a motor. We didn’t buy new cars very often but we weren’t into the newest look.

Who can afford to lay out the coin for a hybrid vehicle and then another $4000 for a battery replacement? I’m not trying knock the EV’s, I’m trying to tell you why people don’t want them shoved down their throats before all the necessary technology and cost efficiency is provided.

Why would you replace the battery in an EV? Do you have statistics that show the average car owner keeps a car for 250,000 miles or that the EV battery will not last that long?

An EV might not fit your driving needs. Someone who needs to carry hay bales or building supplies might feel a Honda, Toyota, or Lexus does not fit their needs. Recognize that your criticism of EVs is "I don't believe they fit what I want to do" and not "they are not technologically viable."

People don't want to feel anything is being shoved down their throats. Even when, like now, nothing at all is being shoved down their throat. *Maybe* more than ten years from now in *some* states it will not be possible to buy an ICE vehicle. *If* that actually happens then eight or nine years from there will be a buying spree. But, given the advancements made in the last ten years, I suspect that by the time those rules come into play it will be so common to own an EV that the rules will no longer be necessary.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Mrmean58

Old news. This issue came to light last year during the winter storms.

I guess I wasn't paying attention last year. LOL.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by iafriedman

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal

We don't live in cold weather. The weather here is perfect for Electric Vehicles

I wasn't referring to locations with moderate temperatures like we have here in Florida. The concerns are for folks who live in frigid weather as that is where the problems are.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Why would you replace the battery in an EV? Do you have statistics that show the average car owner keeps a car for 250,000 miles or that the EV battery will not last that long?

An EV might not fit your driving needs. Someone who needs to carry hay bales or building supplies might feel a Honda, Toyota, or Lexus does not fit their needs. Recognize that your criticism of EVs is "I don't believe they fit what I want to do" and not "they are not technologically viable."

People don't want to feel anything is being shoved down their throats. Even when, like now, nothing at all is being shoved down their throat. *Maybe* more than ten years from now in *some* states it will not be possible to buy an ICE vehicle. *If* that actually happens then eight or nine years from there will be a buying spree. But, given the advancements made in the last ten years, I suspect that by the time those rules come into play it will be so common to own an EV that the rules will no longer be necessary.

To be honest, I hope EVs never hit full throttle. The infrastructure mess alone that will be created to be cleaned up when the fusion engine is developed will be polluting in itself.

Id like to know how you feel enough electricity to operate EVERYTHING in our lives will be created. Wind turbines aren’t totally reliable, sunshine in this country won’t be enough unless you think every square mile should be covered in solar grids which can be wiped out in severe swathes of weather, hydropower is limited to certain areas…

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Aces4

We drove Honda’s, Toyota’s and Lexus which were all good for over 250,000 miles. We never replaced a motor. We didn’t buy new cars very often but we weren’t into the newest look.

Who can afford to lay out the coin for a hybrid vehicle and then another $4000 for a battery replacement? I’m not trying knock the EV’s, I’m trying to tell you why people don’t want them shoved down their throats before all the necessary technology and cost efficiency is provided.

I have never had to replace engine in any of my vehicles which was mostly used when I brought them. But, I knew if the previous owners had some clue of preventive maintenance which most don’t. Why the trade when warranty about out.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Why would you replace the battery in an EV? Do you have statistics that show the average car owner keeps a car for 250,000 miles or that the EV battery will not last that long?

An EV might not fit your driving needs. Someone who needs to carry hay bales or building supplies might feel a Honda, Toyota, or Lexus does not fit their needs. Recognize that your criticism of EVs is "I don't believe they fit what I want to do" and not "they are not technologically viable."

People don't want to feel anything is being shoved down their throats. Even when, like now, nothing at all is being shoved down their throat. *Maybe* more than ten years from now in *some* states it will not be possible to buy an ICE vehicle. *If* that actually happens then eight or nine years from there will be a buying spree. But, given the advancements made in the last ten years, I suspect that by the time those rules come into play it will be so common to own an EV that the rules will no longer be necessary.

The laws are in the process now in states to outlaw ICE vehicles.

Not everyone drives their own vehicles to over 250,000 miles but someone does. It’s a pleasure selling one of the above mentioned vehicles that are running fine. Workman love them for getting back and forth to their occupation and college kids like them together to school and back and so forth.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Aces4

To be honest, I hope EVs never hit full throttle. The infrastructure mess alone that will be created to be cleaned up when the fusion engine is developed will be polluting in itself.

Id like to know how you feel enough electricity to operate EVERYTHING in our lives will be created. Wind turbines aren’t totally reliable, sunshine in this country won’t be enough unless you think every square mile should be covered in solar grids which can be wiped out in severe swathes of weather, hydropower is limited to certain areas…

Ev won’t last that long hydrogen engine will make them obsolete along with most ICE vehicles.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I have never had to replace engine in any of my vehicles which was mostly used when I brought them. But, I knew if the previous owners had some clue of preventive maintenance which most don’t. Why the trade when warranty about out.

I don’t think I understand your point.. but if you are saying maintenance is key, I totally agree.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Ev won’t last that long hydrogen engine will make them obsolete along with most ICE vehicles.

Yeah, that was my point. Then you have all the cleanup for the EV mess.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

If you don't like Tesla, fine but don't make up lies while basing them. There's nothing wrong with Tesla's charging network, I've never had any problems in the 9 years I've driven my car.

Ps: yes, electric vehicles have slightly less range in the cold but I love the convenience of turning on my electric heat and heated seats and heated steering wheel 3 minutes before I enter my car when it's 15 degrees outside. Nice & toasty when I get in. One of the benefits of an EV that you can't do in an ICE car.
Pss: I respect that EVs won't work for some people and some people don't like change but for the life of me I don't understand the bashing?

We had a remote start installed in my Toyota Highlander (gas SUV) when we lived in New Jersey. I kept the heat on and the windshield defroster on so when I started the car it heated up pretty quickly. After about 10 minutes in that freezing cold weather, I got into a nice toasty vehicle which was always parked on the driveway.