[Glowfromminnesota]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

We had our Tesla in Minnesota for four years and it worked use fine. Bought a different Tesla in Florida—traded for a smaller Tesla.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Glowfromminnesota

We had our Tesla in Minnesota for four years and it worked use fine. Bought a different Tesla in Florida—traded for a smaller Tesla.

Just out of curiosity, did you own an EV BEFORE you retired and drove it every day to your place of employment? Were you able to charge it at your place of employment or did it have enough charge to travel round trip? Did you drive it in the frigid cold and snow in Minnesota? The point of the subject was that EVs have reduced performance in cold weather. Did you get as good performance in the winter as you did in the Spring and Summer? You mentioned that your worked just fine for four years, but details do matter.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

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How about the EV owners in Texas a couple years ago where the grid was down because of the cold weather. Now your stuck in a cold house in frigid temperatures unless you have a gas car.

And what did Texans with gas cars do? If the answer is they sat in their warm cars then you'll be interested in the tests that show an EV can keep a heater running as long, if not longer, than an ICE.

If the same thing happened today a bidirectional charger would enable the EV to power the house for two or more days. This is not available for all models yet and is more expensive than a traditional charger but it is an EV option that does not exist for a gas car.

If you look at the Texas news today, EV owners are having problems in the Texas cold (which is a lot warmer than Chicago), Austin, Houston, etc.

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Can't find anything like this at all. Do you have links to the articles or the search phrase for google? Using "Texas EV cold" and "Texas EV" finds nothing other than more references to the same two articles from the Chicago area.

[mickey100]

Of course EV's are going to lose some range in cold weather - it's the nature of battery science. All cars, gas and electric, lose some efficiency in cold weather, but for now, EV's lose more. That said, the newer EV's come with heat pumps that warm the interiors, causing significantly less battery strain in cold weather than older EV models. The technology continues to evolve and improve. And there are things that can be done to maximize charging/driving range. Turn on the inside heat while the car is charging; park the car inside when the weather is cold; if you live in a cold weather climate, buy an EV that has the longest range. Electric vehicles have a lot of pluses. Depending on where you live, fuel costs can be half of what you pay for a gasoline powered car. Maintenance costs are less - electric motors have far fewer moving parts, you never need oil changes, spark plugs, fuel filters. The cars handle wonderfully and depending on the model are extremely quiet and have quick acceleration. And depending on where you live, there are tax incentives. I have a hybrid at this point which I love, because it is so quiet and it gets 50 mpg around town. Once the country beefs up the availability of charging stations I would certainly consider an EV when I'm ready to trade. If you're old school, and you want to hang on to your gasoline car, fine. I just don't get the constant negativity about new technology.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

My best advice to you is to never, ever buy one. It would absolutely be a terrible thing for you. You probably would not survive it. Stick with ice cars. It’s literally your only option. I hope this helps.

Joe

[Cindyd]

A simple Google search! Here's just 1...this was is re station itself. Chicago-area Tesla charging stations see stranded drivers as their cars are not charging dead batteries in freezing cold weather - ABC7 San Francisco

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Of course EV's are going to lose some range in cold weather - it's the nature of battery science. All cars, gas and electric, lose some efficiency in cold weather, but for now, EV's lose more. That said, the newer EV's come with heat pumps that warm the interiors, causing significantly less battery strain in cold weather than older EV models. The technology continues to evolve and improve. And there are things that can be done to maximize charging/driving range. Turn on the inside heat while the car is charging; park the car inside when the weather is cold; if you live in a cold weather climate, buy an EV that has the longest range. Electric vehicles have a lot of pluses. Depending on where you live, fuel costs can be half of what you pay for a gasoline powered car. Maintenance costs are less - electric motors have far fewer moving parts, you never need oil changes, spark plugs, fuel filters. The cars handle wonderfully and depending on the model are extremely quiet and have quick acceleration. And depending on where you live, there are tax incentives. I have a hybrid at this point which I love, because it is so quiet and it gets 50 mpg around town. Once the country beefs up the availability of charging stations I would certainly consider an EV when I'm ready to trade. If you're old school, and you want to hang on to your gasoline car, fine. I just don't get the constant negativity about new technology.

Not so much the loss, but what it takes to replace it.

Five minutes at a gas pump surely does beat an hour at a charging station.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

I'm going to assume you do not have an EV. Please confirm yes or no......
After saying that it appears the purpose of this post is to bash something you do not have. Y'all seem to put a lot of effort into hating things you don't have.

All vehicles have diminished capabilities in cold weather. In most states they blend the fuel in the winter and that blend creates less BTUs which gives you poor gas mileage. I have an EV and I can tell you that yes it does not perform as well in the winter as it does in the summer. You made a comment about the vehicles not performing well in the summer. That is not the truth! My EV performs just as good at 90° as it does at 70°. The issues with EV's in the winter amounts to nothing more than a slight inconvenience and no worse than the inconvenience I have with my gas vehicle.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Not so much the loss, but what it takes to replace it.

Five minutes at a gas pump surely does beat an hour at a charging station.

Whatever you do, do not get an EV. I can tell it's just not the right fit for you. Stick with an ICE car. It's the only option that makes sense.

Joe

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

?!?!?!?!? Are you a psychic? If not then an extremely controlling individual seems the only option that makes sense...........

Just trying to help!

Joe

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I read that article - the only one I could find with anything negative to say about the Norway experience.

Norway's govt appears to be rethinking EVs due to their overwhelming success. Because EVs are so popular, people are buying cars rather than using public transportation. Since Norway's official plan now seems to be to get its people out of cars and onto bikes or public transportation, the very successful switch to EVs has become a problem. To me, this says more about the govt of Norway than about the viability of EVs.

As for temperature - to me, the jury is still out. The temps in Oslo are fairly temperate? The temps in the top 20 largest cities in the US, including Chicago, are no less temperate. If EVs successfully handle the weather in Oslo then they should also successfully handle the weather in those 20 cities.

Talk about skewed interpretation..

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I'm going to assume you do not have an EV. Please confirm yes or no......
After saying that it appears the purpose of this post is to bash something you do not have. Y'all seem to put a lot of effort into hating things you don't have.

All vehicles have diminished capabilities in cold weather. In most states they blend the fuel in the winter and that blend creates less BTUs which gives you poor gas mileage. I have an EV and I can tell you that yes it does not perform as well in the winter as it does in the summer. You made a comment about the vehicles not performing well in the summer. That is not the truth! My EV performs just as good at 90° as it does at 70°. The issues with EV's in the winter amounts to nothing more than a slight inconvenience and no worse than the inconvenience I have with my gas vehicle.

I think what “y’all” hate is being forced to drive an EV when it isn’t viable at this point between the electrical grid being inadequate and climate issues with EVs. Hybrids… maybe.

I think the funniest thing is a new EV owner gushing how she loves it but telling a family member how she hates it. Loses a charge so fast in deep cold temps that she seldom gets much further than short distances from home. That’s not hating on anyone, those are viability facts.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I'm going to assume you do not have an EV. Please confirm yes or no......
After saying that it appears the purpose of this post is to bash something you do not have. Y'all seem to put a lot of effort into hating things you don't have.

All vehicles have diminished capabilities in cold weather. In most states they blend the fuel in the winter and that blend creates less BTUs which gives you poor gas mileage. I have an EV and I can tell you that yes it does not perform as well in the winter as it does in the summer. You made a comment about the vehicles not performing well in the summer. That is not the truth! My EV performs just as good at 90° as it does at 70°. The issues with EV's in the winter amounts to nothing more than a slight inconvenience and no worse than the inconvenience I have with my gas vehicle.

Do you live in The Villages? Why wouldn’t your EV perform as well in Florida’s balmy winters? Not picking, just curious.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Of course EV's are going to lose some range in cold weather - it's the nature of battery science. All cars, gas and electric, lose some efficiency in cold weather, but for now, EV's lose more. That said, the newer EV's come with heat pumps that warm the interiors, causing significantly less battery strain in cold weather than older EV models. The technology continues to evolve and improve. And there are things that can be done to maximize charging/driving range. Turn on the inside heat while the car is charging; park the car inside when the weather is cold; if you live in a cold weather climate, buy an EV that has the longest range. Electric vehicles have a lot of pluses. Depending on where you live, fuel costs can be half of what you pay for a gasoline powered car. Maintenance costs are less - electric motors have far fewer moving parts, you never need oil changes, spark plugs, fuel filters. The cars handle wonderfully and depending on the model are extremely quiet and have quick acceleration. And depending on where you live, there are tax incentives. I have a hybrid at this point which I love, because it is so quiet and it gets 50 mpg around town. Once the country beefs up the availability of charging stations I would certainly consider an EV when I'm ready to trade. If you're old school, and you want to hang on to your gasoline car, fine. I just don't get the constant negativity about new technology.

It’s not negativity about new technology, it’s negativity about the lack of technology. When an EV offers exactly what I have in my ICE without pollution, I’m on board. It’s not even close at this point. And I think when mentioning vehicle maintenance, you forgot the $4,000.+ for battery replacements and disposal.

If the powers that be worked to develop interest in hybrids, you would see far more support.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Talk about skewed interpretation..

Sure, let's talk about it. Go and read the article and then point out where that is a skewed interpretation (it will save me the trouble of copying/pasting half of the quotes)